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bayourebel · Sep 26, 2006, 5:05 PM

some of the last Cardinals, I posted were in a molt stage. This one looks more normal. Managed to get a couple shots of him. Trying to learn a little more about PP and noise reduction.

Critique, good bad or ugly, are welcomed. Suggestions are very much welcomed.

bayourebel · Sep 26, 2006, 5:06 PM

And a second photo caught in burst mode

KennJ · Sep 26, 2006, 5:23 PM

My personal feeling is that too much detail is removed with these programs unless they are set to a very low or specific (blue sky for example)setting. Your Cardinals have been denuded of feather detail and that is a sad state of affairs to me. I guess you just have to work with the program untill you get the desired results.
Kenn

bayourebel · Sep 26, 2006, 5:26 PM

Thanks Ken, that is the kind of critique I am looking for. I was afraid I might have overdone the PP. Thanks again.

dwssas · Sep 26, 2006, 5:45 PM

Just my two cents worth. I think the best way is to avoid the noise removal technics as they always seemto degrade. You were certainly close enough to the subject but suspect you had on a tele lens without a tripod. Maybe , as I have found, it is better to find a way to get closer to the bird without using any telephoto equip other than that provided by the camera itself. This method is time consuming but has proven to be the best method for me. Keep in mind I am not an experienced photo person or skilled in PP. You are certainly close to an excellent pic and am looking forward to seeing it.

bayourebel · Sep 26, 2006, 7:51 PM

Thanks Dwsass. I was afraid I had overdone it, that is why I noted that I wanted the good, bad and ugly. It is the best way to learn. What appeals to some, may not appeal to others, but when the consensus is close to the same, then you have a better idea of a what is appealing to a majority.

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bayourebel · Sep 26, 2006, 8:03 PM

The following two pics are the originals. No processing. straight from the cam.

bayourebel · Sep 26, 2006, 8:04 PM

And the second original. Sorry, I have them reversed.

tcook · Sep 26, 2006, 9:06 PM

That is certainly a pretty bird. I wish we had bright red ones like that around here.
Looking at your originals it appears the camera may have focused on the second feeder and not the cardinal. Were you using spot focus? Since the cardinal appears out of focus in the original I do not think PP could recover feather detail. Try again making sure the camera is focusing on the bird.

dwssas · Sep 27, 2006, 4:12 AM

I would say Tcook has solved your problem. I am sure the proof will be in your next post.

Sep 26, 2006, 5:05 PM	#1
bayourebel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,561	some of the last Cardinals, I posted were in a molt stage. This one looks more normal. Managed to get a couple shots of him. Trying to learn a little more about PP and noise reduction. Critique, good bad or ugly, are welcomed. Suggestions are very much welcomed. Attached Images

Sep 26, 2006, 5:06 PM	#2
bayourebel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,561	And a second photo caught in burst mode Attached Images

Sep 26, 2006, 8:03 PM	#7
bayourebel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,561	The following two pics are the originals. No processing. straight from the cam. Attached Images

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bayourebel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,561	And the second original. Sorry, I have them reversed. Attached Images

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Sep 26, 2006, 5:23 PM	#3
KennJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 166	My personal feeling is that too much detail is removed with these programs unless they are set to a very low or specific (blue sky for example)setting. Your Cardinals have been denuded of feather detail and that is a sad state of affairs to me. I guess you just have to work with the program untill you get the desired results. Kenn

Sep 26, 2006, 5:26 PM	#4
bayourebel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,561	Thanks Ken, that is the kind of critique I am looking for. I was afraid I might have overdone the PP. Thanks again.

Sep 26, 2006, 5:45 PM	#5
dwssas Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 380	Just my two cents worth. I think the best way is to avoid the noise removal technics as they always seemto degrade. You were certainly close enough to the subject but suspect you had on a tele lens without a tripod. Maybe , as I have found, it is better to find a way to get closer to the bird without using any telephoto equip other than that provided by the camera itself. This method is time consuming but has proven to be the best method for me. Keep in mind I am not an experienced photo person or skilled in PP. You are certainly close to an excellent pic and am looking forward to seeing it.

Sep 26, 2006, 7:51 PM	#6
bayourebel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,561	Thanks Dwsass. I was afraid I had overdone it, that is why I noted that I wanted the good, bad and ugly. It is the best way to learn. What appeals to some, may not appeal to others, but when the consensus is close to the same, then you have a better idea of a what is appealing to a majority. style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"Thanks again

Sep 26, 2006, 9:06 PM	#9
tcook Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,703	That is certainly a pretty bird. I wish we had bright red ones like that around here. Looking at your originals it appears the camera may have focused on the second feeder and not the cardinal. Were you using spot focus? Since the cardinal appears out of focus in the original I do not think PP could recover feather detail. Try again making sure the camera is focusing on the bird.

Sep 27, 2006, 4:12 AM	#10
dwssas Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 380	I would say Tcook has solved your problem. I am sure the proof will be in your next post.