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bmccoy Feb 28, 2006 7:33 AM





Received the FZ7 yesterday, I'm very happy. Have not had much time to work with it yet, I'll try to post some samples soon. To address a few points that may be of interest.

- Build quality is as good as any Panasonic I've seen.

- Handling is excellent, the slightly larger size compared to FZ3 is nice.

- 2.5 LCD is just huge, would have been even nicer with higher rez.

- Stock filter adapter threads go all the way to the edge.

- High angle LCD mode, it works! I don't need tilt/twist with this.

- High sensitivity mode, works but not your first choice for detailed images.


I would have no concerns using the stock adapter for just about any lens I would be inclined to own. The only thing I see is that they really made it longer then it needed to be. Even with the final step or two that the lens extends at full zoom the adapter could be shorter. Maybe by 2mm or so, but I don't have a DCR-6600 so can't tell if the extra length will be a problem for that lens. I really like the fact that this adapter doesn't attach over the lens body, it threads right into the front of it. Makes A much nicer appearance and also smaller in diameter.

If I can get out at lunch I'll take some pics.

-Brett

P.S. I have tested the attachment of both the Oly c-180 and ricoh 200m and they seem to work just fine. The Oly will have light fall off in the corners until 12x but buy using the 4mp ez setting most of that is gone. The 200m seems good from about 5 or 6x up. These were both attached directly to the stock adapter without any filter in between.


bmccoy Feb 28, 2006 12:58 PM

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I didn't have very good light for these but here are a few images. This one is resized only.

bmccoy Feb 28, 2006 12:59 PM

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This one is same building at 12x. Resized only.

bmccoy Feb 28, 2006 1:00 PM

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Last one crop with no resize. I'm looking forward to warmer weather!

armadilloshield Feb 28, 2006 6:36 PM

bmccoy, thanks for sharing your thought on FZ7, I don't own FZ7 yet, but plan to get it soon, hopefully by 9 Mar :idea:
The sample look very clear :cool:

fmoore Feb 28, 2006 8:24 PM

bmccoy wrote:
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- Stock filter adapter threads go all the way to the edge.

I would have no concerns using the stock adapter for just about any lens I would be inclined to own. The only thing I see is that they really made it longer then it needed to be. Even with the final step or two that the lens extends at full zoom the adapter could be shorter. Maybe by 2mm or so, but I don't have a DCR-6600 so can't tell if the extra length will be a problem for that lens.

Thanks for the feedback, Brett. If there is vignetting with the dcr6600, it looks like there's room to get it closer with some sanding. How about posting a shot with the ricoh 1.5x attached at full 12x zoom with a link to the original.

bmccoy Feb 28, 2006 10:10 PM

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Well Fred,

I don't really have much to show yet. These two live a few miles down the road from my home. I was pretty far away, used full 12x and the Ricoh. The sun was going down to my right and I was facing south. Not a very good setup for a clear pic. For what it's worth here you go. I don't have a place for the full sized one, but I will post some more samples when I get something worth looking at.

-Brett

bmccoy Feb 28, 2006 10:13 PM

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Here is the center subjects full size.

bmccoy Feb 28, 2006 10:25 PM

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One more this time using the c-180 + about 1.8 digital zoom. This is full frame resized only.

Smith Mar 1, 2006 3:18 AM

bmccoy, I think the most interesting thing about this new camera is its High ISO functionality. I understandthat ISO 800 and 1600are not a wonder of engineering, but a software emulation - anyway I think this is the most intriguing think in this new camera.

So could you please post a couple of pictures with that Higer ISO? If you could also preserve EXIF information - that would be perfect.

Thanks in advance.

bmccoy Mar 1, 2006 6:25 AM

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You asked for it so here it is. The room has only two lamps on and is very dark. I would normally never even think of not using flash in this situation. But no flash on this image, the camera selected ISO1600 f 3.3 and 1/15 sec. Full exif is preserved.

fmoore Mar 1, 2006 6:54 AM

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the camera selected ISO1600 f 3.3 and 1/15 sec.
That's not all THAT bad and it was at 6x zoom to boot! What scene mode were you in? As I understand it, high sensitivity is only available in Scene Mode and the camera chooseseither iso800 or1600? What was the final out-of-camera resolution?

bmccoy Mar 1, 2006 7:42 AM

Yes, you select High Sensitivity mode from the scene menu. Then you can use the joystick to select Auto, 800 or 1600 when taking pictures. This was a full 6mp image to start with. I don't have the image with me now but I'll try to post a 100% crop later. What area of the photo would you like to see?

-Brett


P.S. None of these photos have been "touched up" I want to give a clear view of what I'm seeing right out of the camera. Also, the only change I made in the camera on images settings was to change the noise reduction setting to "low" all other settings are at factory default. Like the FZ20 you can change a lot of what the camera does for processing, I just haven't yet.

fmoore Mar 1, 2006 9:09 AM

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Yes, you select High Sensitivity mode from the scene menu. Then you can use the joystick to select Auto, 800 or 1600 when taking pictures. This was a full 6mp image to start with.
I'm not really interested in a 100% crop on that. So you selected auto and the camera went to 1600. Is this available inall scene modes?

You say the original of the iso1600 was at full 6mp resolution. I was under the impression that iso800 and 1600 were at dcreased resolution; like maybe 4mp for 800 and 2mp for 1600. Not the case? Thanks for answering all these questions, Brett.

bmccoy Mar 1, 2006 9:18 AM

I believe it does an internal interpolation back to a full resolution size. I'll check the original when I get home it's on my laptop. I only had about five minutes before I had to leave for work so that test was a little rushed. Sorry if I'm causing confusion.

-Brett

Smith Mar 1, 2006 10:42 AM

bmccoy, thanks a lot for your samples. They really look not that bad, especially compared to dpreview samples with the same resolution...
100 crop of any area with small details in it would be nice.

Thanks a lot!

steven766 Mar 1, 2006 10:54 AM

So Brett, How does this thing work on a pure auto mode? My wife will not want to touch anything except the on and zoom buttons. Also does the flash pop up onit's own, or is it like the Cannon S2 and you have to manually pop it? By the way great Pictures! Steven

bmccoy Mar 1, 2006 11:12 AM

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So Brett, How does this thing work on a pure auto mode? My wife will not want to touch anything except the on and zoom buttons. Also does the flash pop up onit's own, or is it like the Cannon S2 and you have to manually pop it? By the way great Pictures! Steven
I'm pretty sure the first pic at the top of the building are all in "P" mode. As with all the Panasonic FZ cameras you can leave it on P and just point zoom shoot. It works very well. There is even the heart mode or super simple mode that greatly reduced the menu system so as not to intimidate. If she can use an SLR in auto mode then this would be no problem. The flash must be manually opened for use. I MUCH prefer it that way!

All that being said my wife is still uncomfortable with it. I will be looking at the TZ1 in the future as a camera for her and my son. But for me the FZ7 was the way to go. Hope that helps.

-Brett

fatalysis Mar 1, 2006 1:47 PM

Notes from a 1st time Panasonic FZ series camera owner...

I just received my FZ7 from buydig.com (ordered it Sunday received it today through two day shipping). Right out of the box, my initial impression is that the quality of the camera is built well. The textured grip makes it really comfortable to hold the camera and take pictures with one hand if you really wanted to (I upgraded from an Olympuc C-740 where you really needed two hands to keep the camera steady because there was no image stabilization).

The LCD on this camera is huge! I'm still charging the battery, but I can't wait to see how images look on both the EVF and LCD.

As far as size goes,even though it's a tad bigger than the FZ5, the FZ7 is stillmore compact than the Canon S2 or the Sony H1. I wouldn't recommend carrying this in an oversizedjacket pocket for fear of damaging the LCD (did I mention that the LCD is huge!).

I'm really excited to take some pics once the battery charges up. And it's perfect timing that the camera came because I'm going to a hockey game tonight. For you Panasonic users out there, can you please recommend some settings I should set the camera to? I hope to snap a few pics using the 16 mb card supplied; my 1gb card is coming tomorrow. Thanks!





bmccoy Mar 1, 2006 2:21 PM

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I'm really excited to take some pics once the battery charges up. And it's perfect timing that the camera came because I'm going to a hockey game tonight. For you Panasonic users out there, can you please recommend some settings I should set the camera to? I hope to snap a few pics using the 16 mb card supplied; my 1gb card is coming tomorrow. Thanks!


If you are stuck with the 16mb card I would suggest you set the camera for a lower rez maybe 3mp and use the extended zoom feature. Try out the high sensitivity mode and see if you can get some high shutter speeds to stop the action. Above all come back and post some results!!

-Brett

fmoore Mar 1, 2006 8:57 PM

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I believe it does an internal interpolation back to a full resolution size. I'll check the original when I get home
Brett - What's the verdict on this?There is a goodaction photo (table tennis)with the fz7 at 1/20s, f2.8, andiso1600 here. The original size is full resolution albiet 16/9 (2816x1584). Was your flower shot 2816x2112?

bmccoy Mar 1, 2006 10:16 PM

fmoore wrote:
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bmccoy wrote:
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I believe it does an internal interpolation back to a full resolution size. I'll check the original when I get home
Brett - What's the verdict on this?There is a goodaction photo (table tennis)with the fz7 at 1/20s, f2.8, andiso1600 here. The original size is full resolution albiet 16/9 (2816x1584). Was your flower shot 2816x2112?
Yes It is. I just finished checking. The original is 2816x2112 and file size is about same as other images 2.5 meg. I know I read something about it taking the image at lower resolution and then "bumping" it back up to full 6mp size. I think that is why you loose detail, and the images are soft in focus. But it's a start! I'll use it when I have no other way to get a good image. Nice feature to have in my opinion.

-Brett

fmoore Mar 2, 2006 7:52 AM

bmccoy wrote:
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I know I read something about it taking the image at lower resolution and then "bumping" it back up to full 6mp size. I think that is why you loose detail, and the images are soft in focus. But it's a start! I'll use it when I have no other way to get a good image. Nice feature to have in my opinion.
I agree. it is a nice feature. I suppose if one were taking a series of high sensitivity shots, it might be best to set the picture size to 2mp or 3mp since the resampling up to 6mp seems useless and takes up more room on ther card. How about taking aniso1600 shot at2mp and6mp and comparing?

bmccoy Mar 2, 2006 9:50 AM

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bmccoy wrote:
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I know I read something about it taking the image at lower resolution and then "bumping" it back up to full 6mp size. I think that is why you loose detail, and the images are soft in focus. But it's a start! I'll use it when I have no other way to get a good image. Nice feature to have in my opinion.
I agree. it is a nice feature. I suppose if one were taking a series of high sensitivity shots, it might be best to set the picture size to 2mp or 3mp since the resampling up to 6mp seems useless and takes up more room on ther card. How about taking aniso1600 shot at2mp and6mp and comparing?
I like that idea. I'll give it a try later and let you all be the judge. Fred you are the man! This turned out much better @ 3mp then the first one @6mp.

-Brett

bmccoy Mar 3, 2006 9:39 PM

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All right everyone. went to the home and garden show. Another fair to poor light setting. Here is a sample of a 3mp image taken in ISO 800. Not the best but still good "snap shot" quality in my book.

Sorry for the larger size but I wanted to give an idea of detail so I kept this one and the next larger. Enjoy.

bmccoy Mar 3, 2006 9:41 PM

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One more from the show this one is in ISO 100, F 2.8, 1/8th sec.

armadilloshield Mar 3, 2006 10:46 PM

Brett, thank you so much for your effort to share the samples of FZ7.
I think FZ7 should be just nice camera for me :idea:

fmoore Mar 4, 2006 10:14 AM

Brett - I took the liberty of posting the iso1600flower shots together for easier comparison. IMO, the difference is significant. The slow shutter may have resulted in some camera shake although the clearer 3mp shotis the slower of the the two -1/13s vs 1/15s.How aboutstarting a newthreaddedicated tohigh iso comparisons at different resolutions using a tripod (OIS off) to rule out camera shake and what not. There also may be some effect in resizing from 6mp vs resizing from 3mp. Comparative 100% crops should rule that out. Basically, it comes down to what the prints look like.

FZ7: 6x zoom, iso1600, 1/15s, f3.3, full 6mb resolution, resize only

http://www.artmags.com/FZ7HighISO1600.jpg

FZ7: 6x zoom, iso1600, 1/13s, f3.3,3mp resolution, resize only

http://www.artmags.com/FZ7HighISO1600_3mp.jpg


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