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tchuanye · Nov 20, 2005, 11:29 AM

Hi Narmer,

Been looking for opportunity to shoot this weekend, but did not have much chance. Manage to shoot 2 subjects, a Long legged fly and a GH woth my usual bounce flash set up and another with my on board flash direct. As the on board flash is kind of harsh, I had to increase the shutter speed. Also I PS all the shots as I would do for any of my shots. I shall leave the conclusions to you. Also posted other shots taken with bounce flash.

#1: Bounce flash

#2: On board flash

#3: Bounce flash

#4: On board flash

tchuanye · Nov 20, 2005, 11:31 AM

#5: Bounce flash: Hopper on orange flower

#6: Treehopper

tiger98 · Nov 20, 2005, 12:14 PM

Tchuanye, Your insect pictures are so outstanding! They inspire me to try harder to get somewhere near that kind of results. Jim

seemolf · Nov 20, 2005, 12:38 PM

#3: outstanding, unreachable, off earth, ....
I guess the photographer and the object need some kind of religion/zen for these results.
Sven

jcr · Nov 20, 2005, 5:01 PM

All are very good as always by tchuanye, but #3 is superb !

could You please share settings and macro lens used ?

tchuanye · Nov 21, 2005, 8:37 AM

Thanks guys for the comemnts!

jcr wrote:

Quote:

All are very good as always by tchuanye, but #3 is superb !

could You please share settings and macro lens used ?

Fz10+6T + Sigma CU lens, Ext bounce flash, F8, various shutter speeds:

#1: 1/100s
#2: 1/125s
#3:1/250s
#4: 1/640s
#5: 1/80s
#6: 1/250s

Narmer · Nov 21, 2005, 11:43 AM

Dear Tchuanye

thank you very much for taking these test these pics.

About the differences between the 2 Onboard Flash vs External bounced one,some may find them very slight,not outstanding.
Yet the bounced flash provides a more natural look, less evident light spots on the points of reflection and I am sure this can be even more evident with very fine textures of insects parts (butterflies wings, or insects' eyes cells) or withhighly reflective bodies (coleoptera).

Also the second images looks more innatural for its higher contrast (I suppose you made same PP).

So the effect of built ine flash in macros (where its power is generally reduced in camera) is not so bad as it is in general indoor low light shots, but nonetheless the difference are evident and,for the exigent / "trained eye", really determining.

BTW your shotsare brilliant as is your trend

Narmer

jcr · Nov 21, 2005, 2:23 PM

thanks tchuanye,

by the way, what model of external flash do you use ?

tchuanye · Nov 21, 2005, 8:38 PM

Thanks Narmer.

jcr wrote:

Quote:

thanks tchuanye,

by the way, what model of external flash do you use ?

I am using the Panasonic FL-28....nothing special abt it except that I got it cheap 2nd hand and its small......small enough to fit my camera pouch which i am using.

msantos · Nov 22, 2005, 12:41 AM

I have a question... how do you tell the bugs "Don't move and say cheers!!" :?

Great pictures !!!!!

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Nov 20, 2005, 11:29 AM	#1
tchuanye Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,279	Hi Narmer, Been looking for opportunity to shoot this weekend, but did not have much chance. Manage to shoot 2 subjects, a Long legged fly and a GH woth my usual bounce flash set up and another with my on board flash direct. As the on board flash is kind of harsh, I had to increase the shutter speed. Also I PS all the shots as I would do for any of my shots. I shall leave the conclusions to you. Also posted other shots taken with bounce flash. #1: Bounce flash #2: On board flash #3: Bounce flash #4: On board flash

Nov 20, 2005, 11:31 AM	#2
tchuanye Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,279	#5: Bounce flash: Hopper on orange flower #6: Treehopper

Nov 20, 2005, 12:14 PM	#3
tiger98 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,696	Tchuanye, Your insect pictures are so outstanding! They inspire me to try harder to get somewhere near that kind of results. Jim

Nov 20, 2005, 12:38 PM	#4
seemolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,255	#3: outstanding, unreachable, off earth, .... I guess the photographer and the object need some kind of religion/zen for these results. Sven

Nov 20, 2005, 5:01 PM	#5
jcr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 152	All are very good as always by tchuanye, but #3 is superb ! could You please share settings and macro lens used ?

Nov 21, 2005, 11:43 AM	#7
Narmer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,813	Dear Tchuanye thank you very much for taking these test these pics. About the differences between the 2 Onboard Flash vs External bounced one,some may find them very slight,not outstanding. Yet the bounced flash provides a more natural look, less evident light spots on the points of reflection and I am sure this can be even more evident with very fine textures of insects parts (butterflies wings, or insects' eyes cells) or withhighly reflective bodies (coleoptera). Also the second images looks more innatural for its higher contrast (I suppose you made same PP). So the effect of built ine flash in macros (where its power is generally reduced in camera) is not so bad as it is in general indoor low light shots, but nonetheless the difference are evident and,for the exigent / "trained eye", really determining. BTW your shotsare brilliant as is your trend Narmer

Nov 21, 2005, 2:23 PM	#8
jcr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 152	thanks tchuanye, by the way, what model of external flash do you use ?

Nov 22, 2005, 12:41 AM	#10
msantos Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 561	I have a question... how do you tell the bugs "Don't move and say cheers!!" :? Great pictures !!!!!