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Ivan Karamasov · Dec 18, 2005, 9:10 AM

Hi folks,

I wanted to share some pics with you that I took using the raynox dcr-150. I think the lens is really powerfull. Maybe even too powerful for a macro-newbie.
Here are my samples:

1. Object in a 2-dimensional plane - not toooo difficult

Ivan Karamasov · Dec 18, 2005, 9:11 AM

another one taken from a vatican coin (John Paul I)

Ivan Karamasov · Dec 18, 2005, 9:12 AM

But now to the more complicated shots. How do you manage a dof so tiny like this???

Ivan Karamasov · Dec 18, 2005, 9:16 AM

With some experimenting I managed to compose this picture. But that's really as far as it gets (for me). How am I to get a moving insect into this shallow dof? And why doesn't a small aperture make any difference? Any ideas?
I also saw a lot of very nice Nikon 6t pics here. Is this lens as strong as the dcr-150?
I would like to use something less powerful but easier to control.
Any suggestions or tips are very welcome.
greetings Ivan

Ivan Karamasov · Dec 18, 2005, 9:17 AM

double post, sorry

fmoore · Dec 18, 2005, 9:46 AM

The dcr150 is +4 diopter, thus more powerful then the +3 diopter nikon 6t and it exhibits a shallower dof. Don't feel that you have to use 12x zoom all the time. Back off on zoom to better frame the shot and also increase the dof.

seemolf · Dec 18, 2005, 10:35 AM

Ivan, we all have our trouble with the dof...
But follow Freds advice -less zoom- helps a lot. I am using a +7.7 diopt. lens if distance to the object is no issue (zoom 1*-12*).
There is an effect with lower aperture TMO.
I will post an example in the next minutes.

I know only one trick to get completely rid of DOF (only in still photography) look here:
http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=23

Tilting is another chance, but my FZ5 doesn't like it.
Sven

seemolf · Dec 18, 2005, 2:18 PM

a different answer!
My lens (+4 diopter) and coin are not as good as yours.
But my picture with open aperture looks more like your last one!
I don't know the reason of your shallow DOF. With aperture mode (F:8 or F:11) there should be better DOF. The rules are the same for any sensor size+aperture/diopter combination. You know offcourse, that we should not use the macro mode with our macros! Which camera/sensor size do you use?

FZ5 F:3.3 12*zoom

FZ5 F:8 12*zoom

regards
Sven

Ivan Karamasov · Dec 18, 2005, 4:16 PM

Thanks for your advice fmoore and Sven,

Your were right. The f-stops do influence dof. No idea, why I didn't see it earlier.

Here are two more attempts that clearly show the difference. The dof is still not that deep as it is in your picture with the Euro coin, Sven. I guess that's due to the slightly larger sensor used in the fz30. However , it should be sufficient at least for smaller flowers or insects.

8xzoom, f3.6

Ivan Karamasov · Dec 18, 2005, 4:18 PM

same shot at f11

sorry, but I don't know how to stick several pics in only one post.

c.u.

Ivan

Dec 18, 2005, 9:10 AM	#1
Ivan Karamasov Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 82	Hi folks, I wanted to share some pics with you that I took using the raynox dcr-150. I think the lens is really powerfull. Maybe even too powerful for a macro-newbie. Here are my samples: 1. Object in a 2-dimensional plane - not toooo difficult Attached Images

Dec 18, 2005, 9:11 AM	#2
Ivan Karamasov Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 82	another one taken from a vatican coin (John Paul I) Attached Images

Dec 18, 2005, 9:12 AM	#3
Ivan Karamasov Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 82	But now to the more complicated shots. How do you manage a dof so tiny like this??? Attached Images

Dec 18, 2005, 9:16 AM	#4
Ivan Karamasov Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 82	With some experimenting I managed to compose this picture. But that's really as far as it gets (for me). How am I to get a moving insect into this shallow dof? And why doesn't a small aperture make any difference? Any ideas? I also saw a lot of very nice Nikon 6t pics here. Is this lens as strong as the dcr-150? I would like to use something less powerful but easier to control. Any suggestions or tips are very welcome. greetings Ivan Attached Images

Dec 18, 2005, 4:16 PM	#9
Ivan Karamasov Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 82	Thanks for your advice fmoore and Sven, Your were right. The f-stops do influence dof. No idea, why I didn't see it earlier. Here are two more attempts that clearly show the difference. The dof is still not that deep as it is in your picture with the Euro coin, Sven. I guess that's due to the slightly larger sensor used in the fz30. However , it should be sufficient at least for smaller flowers or insects. 8xzoom, f3.6 Attached Images

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Dec 18, 2005, 9:17 AM	#5
Ivan Karamasov Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 82	double post, sorry

Dec 18, 2005, 9:46 AM	#6
fmoore Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,116	The dcr150 is +4 diopter, thus more powerful then the +3 diopter nikon 6t and it exhibits a shallower dof. Don't feel that you have to use 12x zoom all the time. Back off on zoom to better frame the shot and also increase the dof.

Dec 18, 2005, 10:35 AM	#7
seemolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,255	Ivan, we all have our trouble with the dof... But follow Freds advice -less zoom- helps a lot. I am using a +7.7 diopt. lens if distance to the object is no issue (zoom 1-12). There is an effect with lower aperture TMO. I will post an example in the next minutes. I know only one trick to get completely rid of DOF (only in still photography) look here: http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=23 Tilting is another chance, but my FZ5 doesn't like it. Sven

Dec 18, 2005, 2:18 PM	#8
seemolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,255	a different answer! My lens (+4 diopter) and coin are not as good as yours. But my picture with open aperture looks more like your last one! I don't know the reason of your shallow DOF. With aperture mode (F:8 or F:11) there should be better DOF. The rules are the same for any sensor size+aperture/diopter combination. You know offcourse, that we should not use the macro mode with our macros! Which camera/sensor size do you use? FZ5 F:3.3 12zoom FZ5 F:8 12zoom regards Sven

Dec 18, 2005, 4:18 PM	#10
Ivan Karamasov Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 82	same shot at f11 sorry, but I don't know how to stick several pics in only one post. c.u. Ivan Attached Images

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