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Old Nov 20, 2009, 1:23 PM   #1
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Hi, you good Panny-people (I'm one myself, but only a FZ-28-one...)

I have kept a good eye on the developments of certain threads here (needed adapter for the Pana-G1 - very interesting reading!) lately and I am getting more and more couriouse about the G1.

Having had my FZ-28 for almost exactly 1 year (28th of November) and beeing extremely satisfied with its output, I am now (without telling anybody yet - so shhhush!) in the process of looking at a number of dSLR-reviews to find out which direction I want to go, if I should be so lucky and get together enough $ (well NOK in my case) to go out and by!

Now, the GH1 is clearly out of my league (financially) so I have been looking at the G1 for now (amongst all types of Canons and Nikons )
  • Is the GH1 just a G1 with video-capability or is there more to it? It seems the price-difference her in Norway looks that way. Approxim. 2.142,-$ for the GH1 against 1.007,-$ for the G1.
  • Has the kit-lens (14to42mm) that comes with the G1 been replaced by a newer and better (hence more expensive) lens, or is it still the same construction?
  • Has anybody found out if the G1 can be powered by non-original batteries (since 1 spare battery Panasonic BLB13 cost more than 142,-$ here) or does the camera not accept others?
Much obliged if anyone could help me with these fundamental questions.

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Old Nov 20, 2009, 1:28 PM   #2
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the short answer is Yes, the GH1 is a G1 with HD video. part of the cost is in the 14-140 lens designed for video.

the long answer is No, it is not exactly a G1 with video. there are a few differences that people have pointed out, but for all practical purposes, the image output is pretty much the same.

i cannot speak for your question on batteries.
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Old Nov 20, 2009, 7:27 PM   #3
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Hello Walter. I don’t like to refer to other web sites, but with Steve's permission, you should look at this comparative review:

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Pa.../verdict.shtml

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Compared to Panasonic Lumix DMC-G1

The closest model to the Lumix GH1 is of course the original Lumix G1 – it’s essentially the same camera, but without the movie mode and sold with a smaller kit lens. The body, design and controls are identical (other than the record button and slightly raised head to accommodate the microphones), and both models sport the same fully-articulated screen and high resolution Live View Finder.
At first glance it would therefore appear to be a case of weighing up how much you want or need the movie mode and 10x zoom of the GH1 and whether it’s worth paying the extra. There is however one other small difference worth noting: the actual sensor resolution. As described above, the GH1 may output 4:3 images with the same 12 Megapixel 4000x3000 resolution as the G1, but unlike the G1, this isn’t the native resolution of its sensor. The GH1’s sensor is actually slightly larger with 14 Megapixels in total, allowing it to accommodate wider aspect ratios without cropping the image or compromising the field of view. A neat trick which we’ve seen on some of Panasonic’s compacts.
As for the G1, it may not have a movie mode, but if you don’t need the facility, it remains a superb camera we can highly recommend. Many will also find the smaller and lighter 14-45mm kit lens better-balanced for the camera’s already compact form-factor. As most of the attention is focused on the newer GH1, prices on the G1 may also tumble, so keep a close eye on them.

My actual concern is, given you high standards, if you could do better with a full frame DSLR in the long term.
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Old Nov 21, 2009, 12:02 PM   #4
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In addition to the differences already mentioned (video & different kit lens) the two use different sensors.

The G-1`s sensor is a standard 4/3rd format sensor. When aspect ratios other than the base 4:3 are chosen the camera merely crops the selected aspect ratio (16:9, 3:2) out of the 4:3 image.

The GH-1's sensor is "oversized". This allows it to use the lens' full image circle for all of the various aspect ratios. While the 4:3 images from the two are the same resolution, a 16:9 image from a GH-1 is larger than one from a G-1 or any other m43 or standard 43rd camera. This gives a slightly wider FOV also.

Panasonic as a good interactive illustration on their website:

http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/syste...mage.html#no01

The lens difference is "better" only in its wider zoom range (more tele) and its quiet (read: better for video) focus operation. According to all reports, image quality and build quality are not significantly different.
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...but for all practical purposes, the image output is pretty much the same.
Thank you Hards80 for your quick and helpful reply! This is exactly what my question boils down too - the image quality of those two cameras.
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...if you could do better with a full frame DSLR in the long term.
Thank you Ordo - very good link too!

Full frame?!?

I don't think so - I am more concerned about learning to "walk" before I can start to "run"! I will work and learn my way up slowly.

Besides, if I cannot afford the GH1, how could I ever afford a full-frame with its expensive house and special lenses?

Up to about a year ago, I was happy with my 3,2Mp Olympus Camedia C-3000, before I got my FZ-28.

It's first now that I fully (with tongue in cheek) understand my Panny and sometimes I would like some more quality and a bigger sensor (one and the same thing, almost) and for that I think the G1 would be perfect for me. Besides I would instantly feel "at home" with another Panasonic, instead of learning an entirely different brand (with all their specialized menues, and all) such as Canons, Nikons and Sonys.

What this is all about is the increase in IQ I would get by going from my present 1/2.33" sensor to this Micro 4/3 sensor. Full frame is for the "the big guys" - and I am no where near them yet.

But thanks all the same, for your trust in my abilities....



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...When aspect ratios other than the base 4:3 are chosen the camera merely crops the selected aspect ratio (16:9, 3:2) out of the 4:3 image.

- The lens difference is "better" only in its wider zoom range (more tele) and its quiet (read: better for video) focus operation.

Thanks a lot, dwig!

The link you posted was very helpful.

- I never use another aspect ratio than 4:3 when I shoot anyway, other than I crop landscapes sometimes, but I will always do that in Photoshop anyway, so that is no reson for me to go all the way and choose the GH1.

- I'm not interested in videos. I do have HD-video in my FZ-28 today, and have tried it only twice for a few minutes, just to see if it works. Other than that I'm no video shooter. A camera without video-capabilities suites me fine, I wouldn't miss it.

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- According to all reports, image quality and build quality are not significantly different.
This is exactly what I am mostly concerned about, I wouldn't like to miss out (a whole lot of) quality by choosing the G1, but I'm prepared to compromise to a certain degree.

Thank you for your informative comments!



P.S.: Of course I woul like to have a bigger zoom with the 14-140mm, but I couldn't afford it right now. We are, after all, talking about a 100% increase in price!


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G1 is a good buy for half the price of the GH1. The standard zoom lens it comes with is little than most other brands which only come with 18-55mm. Unless you really want to shoot video with the camera, then get the GH1! But for $600 more? That is a lot money!
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I bought the G1 about a month ago and I am having a blast with it. I got the two lens kit (14-45mm and 45-200mm - both excellent lenses BTW), which works beautifully. The m4/3 is (probably) the best system as far as accepting vintage lenses from just about any brand and mount (with the appropriate adapters), and since I had a few Pentax mount lenses, I bought the K to m4/3 adapter and although the camera will only operate in manual mode, the results are quite impressive.

Here are some shots taken with my G1 and a Pentax 50mm f1.7 lens.



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Those are good looking shots, Tullio-

Nice work! Those legacy lens seem to work very well.

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