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Old Oct 29, 2003, 6:33 PM   #1
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how well does the fz1 work on night photography, primarily taking pictures of buildings with light, street scenes etc, not sure if 8 second bulb is enough time exposure, also how about infared using a filter. thanks in advance, pictures greatly appreciated (if using a high iso at night does this increase the noise problem, and if so will neat image rectify the problem thanks
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Old Oct 30, 2003, 7:33 PM   #2
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John, there is info on both topics both in this forum and at :
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1033
but you'll need to use the search facilities. BTW I had problems with the dpreview search being "oversubscribed" last few days. Ah, if only there were an easily accessible "Tips and Tricks" website, eh?...

andewV from Russia who occasionally posts at both forums was the first I ever saw to post pictures of night scenes with FZ1 (over at dpreview). Most recent post of links to his albums :
http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=13176

Here's an example of one of his pictures using Night Portrait Mode at ISO50 8secs at f6.5 :
http://www.pbase.com/image/19057729
I think there are other examples in carefully handheld mode at shutter speeds down to 1/8th second at f2.8 sometimes at higher ISOs. I think Andrew has posted the unprocessed pictures so you can decide for youself how effective NeatImage is.

Otime Young has posted links in this forum to his infrared pictures but the album seems to have disappeared. They were good, honest, as some of the reactions on this thread should indicate :
http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=13080

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Old Oct 31, 2003, 11:00 PM   #3
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I've messed around briefly with IR pictures using a gel filter sandwiched inbetween the FZ1 lens and a UV filter. It does work, but there is a lot of noise. You could probably get rid of the noise with a photo editor, but I wouldn't know about Neat Image. I tried using it, but it didn't seem to do anything that PhotoShop or PaintShop Pro can't do, and the last thing I need is another photo editor.
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Old Nov 1, 2003, 5:23 PM   #4
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Admittedly Otime's photos were somewhat noisy, but maybe that need not be considered too much of an issue for photos intended to be dreamlike as IR pictures often are. (As an aside, I remember seeing a website in which the writer deliberately added noise to his IR pictures to try to reproduce the grainy effect achieved with 35mm Kodak High Speed infra red B&W film (!?)).

Some of the noise could be put down to the high ISO used. Can't remember whether Otime got around to showing results shot at ISO50.

For those curious about NeatImage here's a review :
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...eatimage.shtml
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The FZ1 is not a good camera for IR images, because it has a very effective IR blocker. If tha camera allowed an option of up to 8 sec. exposure time with an aperture of 2.8, IR photos would be practical. Unfortunately the only mode that allows long exposures is the NIGHT Portrait Mode with the flash down, but now the aperture is frozen at 6.5.
I would like to know if the FZ2 and FZ10 allow long exposures with an aperture of 2.8.
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Here's a night pic:

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Old Nov 4, 2003, 5:56 AM   #7
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Been looking through your albums Mr. Jacob. Sure beats trying to get contributions for a FAQ website

I see Otime has just posted a few messages at dpreview after a break. The IR photo album is now at :
http://www.pbase.com/otime/ir_photography_fz1
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Been looking through your albums Mr. Jacob. Sure beats trying to get contributions for a FAQ website
I just sent you a PM about that
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I see Otime has just posted a few messages at dpreview after a break. The IR photo album is now at :
http://www.pbase.com/otime/ir_photography_fz1
Thanks for the update!
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Old Nov 4, 2003, 7:18 AM   #9
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The FZ1 is not a good camera for IR images, because it has a very effective IR blocker. If tha camera allowed an option of up to 8 sec. exposure time with an aperture of 2.8, IR photos would be practical. Unfortunately the only mode that allows long exposures is the NIGHT Portrait Mode with the flash down, but now the aperture is frozen at 6.5.
I would like to know if the FZ2 and FZ10 allow long exposures with an aperture of 2.8.
I'm no expert, but here are some IR photos with the FZ1:

http://www.pbase.com/otime/ir_photography_fz1
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I'm no expert either, but I have taken IR pictures with my FZ1. Nothing worth bragging about, but other than some grain, they turned out really nice, so I don't think there's anything in the FZ1 optics that's blocking IR. I know that is true with some digital and video cameras, but it's not the case with the FZ1. I use a Lee R87 polysester ("gel") filter that basically looks like a very dark red (if not black) piece of plastic. Since I bought it for my previous digicam (a Sony FD91 which has 52mm threads), I cut the square filter into a circle that could be sandwiched between the lens and a UV filter. Works great. Fortunately, the same setup still works with my FZ1 using the lens barrel and a 55mm UV filter. Although, after seeing how inexpensive the Hoya R72 filters are, I might have to break down and buy one. The Lee gel filters are about $13-15 (if memory serves), and they don't come in the form of a metal ring with glass filter, so durability is definitely a factor. For just twice the price, I can get a really nice true filter by Hoya.

I've been messing around with NeatImage again, and I have to retract my previous message further up this thread about the program. It's done a heckuva job on my grainy IR pictures -- enough that I'm just going to have to post the results one of these days.

One word on IR photography in the favor of "photo manglers" (photo editors) -- you can pretty much get the same IR-looking results just by some creative editing with PhotoShop or PaintShop. You might be surprised at the results -- they end up looking VERY much like an IR pic, but a lot more clear and precise because it didn't require a slow shutter, etc. Of course, taking an actual IR picture that looks great in the end is all part of the "game", so this method might seem blashemous to some! :?
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