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Old Aug 23, 2009, 9:49 PM   #21
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I agree that Panasonic's compacts have poor noise performance even at base ISO.
Unlike their camcorders which beats most others, including Canon's, hands down.
As has been pointed out in reviews, Panasonic's noise reduction algorithms are known to favor sharpness over noise reduction, as the two vary inversely. In post processing, the more you sharpen an image, the more noise increases, so you have to achieve a balance between the two. The more you enlarge an image, the more obvious existing noise becomes. Noise reduction software helps in postprocessing, but I would not buy a camera that did not allow these two parameters to be adjusted if I wanted more than casual snapshots for pocket sized prints and were not otherwise prepared to spend time editing the images. P&S cameras have their place but they also have their shortcomings and it sounds like this one is not a camera intended for serious photographers - at least not as an only camera.
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Old Aug 23, 2009, 10:32 PM   #22
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I am sorry to say that there is a price to be paid for full automation, and that is the problem we are seeing in this situation.

If you respect the limitations of the camera, you can get good snapshots. And these are snapshot cameras.

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Old Aug 24, 2009, 1:06 PM   #23
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I ended up exchanging the unit for another zs3 to try out. I tried to replicate the photos that I took with the previous camera and after all that, it seems that this camera is pretty much the same as the last one..... very noisy areas in a lot of the outdoor shots taken at iso 80 and 100. I believe that this is the same initial shipment this store has received, so I promptly took it back and got my money back. I'm currently using my sd770is cannon with way less noisy photos. Its not a solution as I LOVED the zs3 zoom and need to figure something else out. Perhaps I will try one from another store/ and or shipment. Thanks again for all your help.
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I think it was a smart move. There is not a whole lot to try out with the ZSn cameras since it's pretty much auto everything.

Canon has the SX200 IS which is comparable to the ZS3 except that it offers full manual control. It's LCD is not as good and it does not record in HD. The other drawback is its retarded flash implementation (it pops up from the moment you turn the camera on, whether you wish to use it or not). However, it's cheaper and Crutchfield has a couple of units on its Outlet dept. going for as low as $280. I think its a great buy at this price (I've bought cameras from their Outlet dept and they were as good as new. They offer 100% money back and pay for s/h both ways.
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Old Aug 24, 2009, 7:21 PM   #25
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mtclimber hits the nail of this thread.
The ZS3 may render some noise but I feel many people ask too much from these cheap cameras. We are talking less than $400. You get a 25mm wide angular, 12X zoom (and of course if you zoom in you’ll see some pixels!), great Macro, extraordinary image stabilization performance, HD video with stereo sound recording (which I’ve tried and is amazing). The LCD is superb, may be one of the best 3”. And you carry this baby in your pocket. I really can’t ask for more.

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Old Aug 24, 2009, 9:10 PM   #26
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Examples. In my travel to China I got these two casual picks (two of about 3000) on the fly. I know they are not so good picks. Just memories. I didn’t compressed or resized the files. You may have to scroll. Picks are untouched.

Bronze lions:

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4369/p1000090u.jpg

After I shot that one, I zoomed on the “hair” of the lion:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8312/p1000091jtr.jpg

What else can you ask for?
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Old Aug 24, 2009, 9:31 PM   #27
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Again me, in defense of the ZS3.
I tried the Macro zoom. Got this, hand held:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6621/p1000150i.jpg

And then, to check the scale:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7195/p1000151d.jpg

Wow!
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Old Aug 24, 2009, 9:50 PM   #28
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Beijing's subway. Hand held. No flash.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9537/p1000021.jpg
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This pick is indeed pixelized:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9862/1platform2.jpg

It came from this one:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3310/1platform.jpg

Both came from this hand held shot in a train sation in China:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6692/p1010937l.jpg

Pretty amazing for a snapshot camera!
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Both came from this hand held shot in a train sation in China:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6692/p1010937l.jpg

Pretty amazing for a snapshot camera!
Sorry Ordo, but what's so amazing about this picture? The shutter speed is 1/30 and considering the camera has IS and the ISO was just 200, I'd expect the image to be a lot sharper. Instead, it looks out of focus and it lacks resolution. Increase the ISO to 800 or even to 400 and I bet it will look very very bad. I'm certainly not impressed. But, that's just my opinion.
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