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Old Feb 1, 2004, 3:07 PM   #31
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The very first shot I took with the camera was an 8 second exposure with the lens cap on and under a pillow. Thanks to Panasonic not making mention of the NR, I thought I really had a dilly of a CCD
That was one of my first pictures, too. Obviously, this was not your first digicam, nor mine.
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Old Feb 1, 2004, 9:54 PM   #32
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The very first shot I took with the camera was an 8 second exposure with the lens cap on and under a pillow. Thanks to Panasonic not making mention of the NR, I thought I really had a dilly of a CCD
That was one of my first pictures, too. Obviously, this was not your first digicam, nor mine.
No, I buy at least 2 or 3 every year. My first "real" digital camera was the Nikon E900 that I bought as soon as it hit the market. It still takes great pictures! Everything that I had tried up to that point was junk ( I couldn't plop down $25,000.00 for a pro camera). I'm gonna have to slow down though. I'm running out of room to store them. For some reason, I can never seem to part with them once I buy them.
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Old Feb 3, 2004, 4:03 PM   #33
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No, I buy at least 2 or 3 every year. My first "real" digital camera was the Nikon E900 that I bought as soon as it hit the market. It still takes great pictures! Everything that I had tried up to that point was junk ( I couldn't plop down $25,000.00 for a pro camera). I'm gonna have to slow down though. I'm running out of room to store them. For some reason, I can never seem to part with them once I buy them.
I'd like to see your camera list just for grins. If you don't mind.
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Old Feb 3, 2004, 11:32 PM   #34
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It's not very impressive I must confess. I just can't justify (yet), buying a DSLR. Maybe in a few years when the 10MPs are under $1000.
This is only from memory, so I'm sure to miss some because I don't know where all of them are

Digital only:

Nikon E900
Toshiba PDR-M4
HP Photosmart 215
KB JamCam
Sampo ScreamCam w/MP3
Nikon E100
Barska Digital Binoculars
Vivitar Digital Binoculars
Olympus D40
Argus 3810
Archos MM Jukebox 20 w/ camera module
Panasonic DMC-FZ10
Argus DC3200
Casio Exilim EX-Z3
Pentax Optio S
SiPix StyleCam Blink
Kodak DC3200
Olympus D-510
Kodak LS443

I know there are several others, but for someone who canít remember what they had for breakfast, I think thatís pretty good.

Just remembered a couple more, but can't think of the model numbers.

Kodak ????
Vivitar ????
Panasonic ????
iConcepts ????

There's more to be sure, but I give up, my head hurts :?

Holy cow, even I didn't realize there were that many. Time to look at Ebaying some (if I ever find them). :shock:

Anyone as bad as me :?: Just out of curiosity, I'd like to see some lists too.
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Old Feb 3, 2004, 11:59 PM   #35
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Hi Guerito
So that's how you turned a large fortune into a small fortune!
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Old Feb 4, 2004, 12:03 AM   #36
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Now you know why I live out of my car Charlie
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Old Feb 4, 2004, 12:12 AM   #37
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It's not very impressive I must confess. I just can't justify (yet), buying a DSLR. Maybe in a few years when the 10MPs are under $1000.
This is only from memory, so I'm sure to miss some because I don't know where all of them are

Digital only:

Nikon E900
Toshiba PDR-M4
HP Photosmart 215
KB JamCam
Sampo ScreamCam w/MP3
Nikon E100
Barska Digital Binoculars
Vivitar Digital Binoculars
Olympus D40
Argus 3810
Archos MM Jukebox 20 w/ camera module
Panasonic DMC-FZ10
Argus DC3200
Casio Exilim EX-Z3
Pentax Optio S
SiPix StyleCam Blink
Kodak DC3200
Olympus D-510
Kodak LS443
Vivitar 3725

I know there are several others, but for someone who canít remember what they had for breakfast, I think thatís pretty good.

Just remembered a couple more, but can't think of the model numbers.

Kodak ????
Vivitar ????
Panasonic ????
iConcepts ????

There's more to be sure, but I give up, my head hurts :?

Holy cow, even I didn't realize there were that many. Time to look at Ebaying some (if I ever find them). :shock:

Anyone as bad as me :?: Just out of curiosity, I'd like to see some lists too.
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Old Feb 4, 2004, 5:13 AM   #38
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Short list as I have only recently gotten into digital.

Olympus C3000 - sold
Olympus C5050
Panasonic FZ1K
Panasonic FZ10K

I've been intrigued by the digital cam binoculars. 2mp resolution now I think. Not sure if they're a waste of money. I'm still kind of looking for a night vision scope just to play around with.
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Old Feb 4, 2004, 9:57 AM   #39
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The digibinos could be a waste of money if you already have the FZ1/FZ10. One thing that I noticed on mine is that even though both sets are 10x binoculars, the magnification differs greatly on both units cameras. If I were to take a *wild* guess, I'd say one camera is 5x and one is 8x. You'd think they would both be 10x, but that's not the case.
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Old Feb 5, 2004, 9:22 AM   #40
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OK guys, I'm sorry it took so long but I have an answer on this ongoing discussion. During this time what is taking place is not exactly noise reduction. As we know, the output from each individual pixel differs slightly and those differences will be more visible as the length of the exposure and CCD temperature increases.

Officially itís called CCD compensation. The output variations that normally occur would be more visible at higher temperatures with longer shutter speeds. This characteristic is not a defect. On the FZ10 it kicks in from the 1/2 second shutter speed.

The time to detect and compensate the pixel variations is nearly equal to shutter speed that is selected. So when the shutter speed is set to 4 second, the camera will need a total of almost 8 seconds in order to detect and compensate pixel levels.

With some stretch of the imagination we might consider an error in pixel levels as ďnoiseĒ so your preliminary labeling of this as noise reduction was not that far off. But to be specific, this operation does differ from true noise reduction.
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