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Old Oct 20, 2004, 12:29 PM   #91
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OH... NO...

Here we go again:shock:
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Old Oct 20, 2004, 2:43 PM   #92
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"Right. I know all about that camera. A classic. Note the name. It's a "Leica-Minolta CL" NOT a Leica.
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Au Contraire! That camera was marketed and sold as Leica Minolta CL, Leica CL and Minolta CL depending upon the country/region.
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"2) Also in the '70s, Zeiss began a cooperation with Yashica to build superior SLRs utilizing Zeiss lenses under the Contax name. This relationship is still going strong today."

--> Right - Contax, great cams. Note the name, "Contax". Not a "Zeiss" camera or a Yashica. Note that Zeiss, per your post MAKES the lens on the Contax.

Thanks for proving my point. I refer you to #6 of my cheat-sheet:

6. If ABC Co. co-designs a widget with XYZ Co, and XYZ Co pays ABC Co. to also use their name, but the widget is produced by XYZ Co, it is an ABC/XYZ co-designed, ABC-branded, XYZ Co. widget.

It's inaccurate to call this a Leica lens.
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1) Exactly what proof do you have that the Panasonic engineers contributed the majority of the design? If it's over 50% Leica designed, it's a Leica lens.
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2) What proof do you have that Panasonic pays Leica specifically for the use of their name?
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3) Is it equally inaccurate to call the Digilux2 a Leica since it's built by Panasonic?
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4) Is the Honda Gold Wing still a Japanese motorcycle even though it's built in Ohio?
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Old Oct 20, 2004, 3:57 PM   #93
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shootr2 wrote:
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NickTrop wrote:
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"Right. I know all about that camera. A classic. Note the name. It's a "Leica-Minolta CL" NOT a Leica.
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Au Contraire!┬* That camera was marketed and sold as Leica Minolta CL, Leica CL and Minolta CL depending upon the country/region.
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"2) Also in the '70s, Zeiss began a cooperation with Yashica to build superior SLRs utilizing Zeiss lenses under the Contax name. This relationship is still going strong today."

--> Right - Contax, great cams. Note the name, "Contax". Not a "Zeiss" camera or a Yashica. Note that Zeiss, per your post MAKES the lens on the Contax.

Thanks for proving my point. I refer you to #6 of my cheat-sheet:

6. If ABC Co. co-designs a widget with XYZ Co, and XYZ Co pays ABC Co. to also use their name, but the widget is produced by XYZ Co, it is an ABC/XYZ co-designed, ABC-branded, XYZ Co. widget.

It's inaccurate to call this a Leica lens.
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1) Exactly what proof do you have that the Panasonic engineers contributed the majority of the design?┬* If it's over 50% Leica designed, it's a Leica lens.
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2) What proof do you have that Panasonic pays Leica specifically for the use of their name?
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3) Is it equally inaccurate to call the Digilux┬*2 a Leica since it's built by Panasonic?
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4) Is the Honda Gold Wing still a Japanese motorcycle even though it's built in Ohio?
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Old Oct 20, 2004, 4:23 PM   #94
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... no offense but I'm really bored with this thread. WHAT-ever. But I will say that the percentage a company designs something is inconseqencial - even if it's 5% it's still co-designed.

"Au Contraire! That camera was marketed and sold as Leica Minolta CL, Leica CL and Minolta CL depending upon the country/region."

You may be correct, but I am not aware of this camera going by different names in different regions but I'm not a Leicaphile. Below is a good article about the CL and M series Leicas if interested.

http://www.cameraquest.com/mguide.ht...a / Minolta CL
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Old Dec 4, 2004, 11:21 AM   #95
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OH NO! Not THAT thread again! Sorry, couln't resist, even though it's anecdotal. From Bassman's post here:

"The other guy in another camera shop that was a Leica lense distributer was very helpful, but said that they didn't keep the Lumix camera in stock because it wasn't a proper Leica lense. He said that he had been to the german factory last year and that the Panasonic collaboration was discussed ,and he was basically told that it wasn't a true Lecia lense and pretty much something they'd knocked up so tha panasonic could pay them a license to use the name." http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...96&forum_id=23

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Old Dec 4, 2004, 12:47 PM   #96
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OH NO! Not THAT thread again! Sorry, couln't resist, even though it's anecdotal. From Bassman's post here:

"The other guy in another camera shop that was a Leica lense distributer was very helpful, but said that they didn't keep the Lumix camera in stock because it wasn't a proper Leica lense. He said that he had been to the german factory last year and that the Panasonic collaboration was discussed ,and he was basically told that it wasn't a true Lecia lense and pretty much something they'd knocked up so tha panasonic could pay them a license to use the name." http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=23

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Nick... This thread is how our relashonship started (on the wrong foot). And since you brought it back to life... I must say...

There is probably a small group of executives (the ones involved with the decissions) who know for sure (100%). That being said... You have made many points to think about regarding this (knowing now more than I knew comming into this forum). And I now recognize & appreciate your research on this matter, as well as the fact that you could be right.

What ever it is... It's one damn good lense... And... FZ's ROCK!!!
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Old Dec 7, 2004, 2:17 PM   #97
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Two of Leica's most popular lenses, the DC Vario-Summicron and Vario-Elmarit, are featured in our Lumix[suP]®[/suP] line of digital still cameras. These fine lenses give digital photos the emotional warmth, impact, and subtlety of those shot with a film-based camera. With Leica and Lumix® you get the best of both worlds: outstanding optics and innovative technology.
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #666666"http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...17168#feature1

doesn't the term "Leica's" in english means that Leica ownes them ? is it called genitive ?

just curious.


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