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Old Dec 13, 2004, 11:59 PM   #1
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I have been threatening my wifewithputting this on the front door to greet visitors (after they pass by our 6 dogs). I did this shooting in Nov. at my required military 25 yard pistol qualification. The weapon used was the Baretta 9mm model m9.
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Old Dec 14, 2004, 2:12 AM   #2
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Was the gut shot intentional. Really like the picture of your dog. Would like to see larger edition.
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Old Dec 14, 2004, 11:55 AM   #3
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No, the three shots outside of the kill circle happened because the m9 is a little light on the trigger after the first shot, the real low one (the gut shot) was the first time it discharged on me as I was bringing the pistol back up from the holstered position. I guess I was just a little too tight in the forearm and caused the early fire. You can see pictures of almost all of our dogs at... http://www.jabed.com
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Old Dec 14, 2004, 2:07 PM   #4
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No, the three shots outside of the kill circle happened because the m9 is a little light on the trigger after the first shot, the real low one (the gut shot) was the first time it discharged on me as I was bringing the pistol back up from the holstered position. I guess I was just a little too tight in the forearm and caused the early fire. You can see pictures of almost all of our dogs at... http://www.jabed.com
1. You should not have the safety off when the weapon is holstered.

2. You should not have your finger on the trigger until the weapon is facing the target.

3. Only John Wayne can ignore 1 & 2.

I hope you don't have a wife &children at home. And If you do, I hope they are not any where in range of you if you ever have to use your weapon to defend your home.

I say this because I spent 6 years in the army, and have fired many types of weapons. Reading your statement, I can see that you are taking a totaly unsafe act, and blaiming it on a light trigger. This tells me that you have no regard for safety, or you just do not know any better.

Please do everyone a favor and get some proffessional training (military or other)... Or... Get rid of the weapon before someone (and most likely someone who happens to be near you at the time) gets hurt.

This is nothing personal, but I am very big on weapon safety. I believe that everyone should have the right to bear arms, but they should be trained first.

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Old Dec 14, 2004, 5:34 PM   #5
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Ummm. Bobc I have 18 years in the new york air national guard, and this was during an official qualification shoot. The cadre was overseeing everyone, and the procedures for the Air Force are different than for the Army. In our procedures, we keep one in the pipe, safety OFF and the hammer down. I am still in, and have the rank of Staff Sgt. I do not have children, nor do I have a pistol at home, for home defense my wife has a 12 ga. pump shotgun and knows how to use it. Try to keep this on a nonpersonal level, we will all be much happier.
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There's only one way for you two to settle this. Have a duel!
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Old Dec 14, 2004, 6:24 PM   #7
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Ummm GnomonMaster. I cannot beleive that any (full time) branch of the service would follow that kind of procedure. As far as the part timers (reserve, guard), I am not 100% sure.

I spent 6 (full time) years in the army, and worked with members of all branches of the military at one time or another, to include the part timers. Any range I was ever firing or monitoring at. A round was not even allowed to be chambered unless the weapon was pointed down range, and any violation would result in the confiscation of the weapon, immediate removal of the soldier from the range, and UCMJ action upon return to garrison. NO ACCEPTIONS. I have also worked with civilians (GS) personnel that had to abide by the same rules (if issued a weapon).

And your rank of E6 (staff sergeant) would technically be a E4 (specialist/non-combat MOS or Corpral/combat MOS) in the equivalent full time branch (except the marines where you would have to go back to boot camp and start at E1 (private)).

And as I said... It's not personal.

When you say... We will all be much happier.

Are you speaking about the members of this forum?

If so... I think you better get a little more than 10 posts under your belt first of all, and second of all... The members of this forum are intitled to their own oppinions, and may or may not agree with yours or mine.

Sound like you are the one that is making it personal.

I do commend you for being a soldier, and a member of our armed forces, and you are probably a nice person. So... Don't take it personal.

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Old Dec 14, 2004, 6:24 PM   #8
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Assumptions based on partial information leads to things not being so friendly on the board. I suggest instead of out in the open to PM the individual rather than something like this in the open.

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Old Dec 14, 2004, 7:24 PM   #9
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Bob my fellow poster, things have changed. I am an E-5, (staff sgt) in the united states air force, We (the air national guard) are equivalent in all respects to our full time (active duty) forces. Why on earth would I prevaricate about the facts I presented to you? I would suggest that just because I only have a few posts under my belt (here) has no bearing on anything whatsoever, certainly it has nothing to do with the procedures that I tried to explain to you. I went to basic training in Texas, I went to technical training school in Colorado, then last year I retrained at another school in Texas. At non of these places did my active duty brothers look down at me because I was Air Guard, as a matter of fact, the last training school I attended the two highest grades belonged to an Air Force Reservist and an Air Guardsman (me). We all wear the exact same uniform and rank stripes, the only way to tell who is who is if you have memorized all the unit patches that are worn throughout the Air Force.


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I have one suggestion, put the gun down and pick the camera up. In my opinion shooting with a camera is a lot more satisfying than shooting with a gun.
Any idiot can shoot a gun and far too many idiots do, the real test of skill is shooting with a camera.
I like the idea of a dual Nick but lets make it a Camera shooting duel! Best photo wins.
That will sort the men from the boys!
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