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Old Jun 27, 2005, 9:00 PM   #11
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I would only be guessing but I do not think it would make much difference if you go a thin 62 to 58mm step ring. some are much thinner than others.

Or another option might be to see how close Lovelife is to marketting his adapter.
Which step-ring brand is the thinnest? Thanks.
Pemaraal or Photosolve sells the thinnest step-down ring, same ring,.71mm offset $20.00.

or the CRing which has zero offset.
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Old Jun 27, 2005, 9:12 PM   #12
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I have the dcr5000 and have used it with the fz1 and fz5. At .5x, it is close to being a fisheye lens although it doesn't vignett at wa. Itexhibitssevere barrel distortion and soft corners. I don't consider it to be much of a wa lens with either the fz1 or fz5 and would expect it to be even worse with the fz20 although I don't know that. Obviously, the wcon08 is going to give betterimage quality, but at only .8x one wonders whether it is enough wide angle extension to bother with.
You are correct, the DCR720 (discontinued) and the DCR730 are not much better.

The WA choices for the FX10, 15 and 20 are the Wcon07, Wcon08, Wcon08B and the DCR6600. The DCR6600 has the widest angle but a limited range 23.8mm to 30mm it has least distortion a tiny .5mm vignette in one corner at 23.8 but it jumps to the other corners as you zoom in. take a look http://lovelife.smugmug.com/gallery/543892.
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I've used the wcon-08 and the 6600 on an FZ20. I personally like the 6600. After having a Oly bias for quite a while, I was pleasantly surprised by the image and build quality of the Raynox.

As for the vignetting on the 6600, it is very minor. You can see it in the EVF and can compose the image to account for it. Cropping it out (if necessary) doesn't remove very much at all.

Lovelife - I read someplace that you were making an adaptor for the FZ10 / FZ20. Is this true and if so, does it help at all to eliminate the minor vignetting with the 6600?
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I've used the wcon-08 and the 6600 on an FZ20. I personally like the 6600. After having a Oly bias for quite a while, I was pleasantly surprised by the image and build quality of the Raynox.

As for the vignetting on the 6600, it is very minor. You can see it in the EVF and can compose the image to account for it. Cropping it out (if necessary) doesn't remove very much at all.

Lovelife - I read someplace that you were making an adaptor for the FZ10 / FZ20. Is this true and if so, does it help at all to eliminate the minor vignetting with the 6600?
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What make you like 6600 more than wcon-08? Is the image sharper, clearer, less distortionwith 6600?

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I am also interested to know if there is any vignetting when your adapter and CRing is used with 6600?

Thanks.
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I've used the wcon-08 and the 6600 on an FZ20. I personally like the 6600. After having a Oly bias for quite a while, I was pleasantly surprised by the image and build quality of the Raynox.

As for the vignetting on the 6600, it is very minor. You can see it in the EVF and can compose the image to account for it. Cropping it out (if necessary) doesn't remove very much at all.

Lovelife - I read someplace that you were making an adaptor for the FZ10 / FZ20. Is this true and if so, does it help at all to eliminate the minor vignetting with the 6600?
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What make you like 6600 more than wcon-08? Is the image sharper, clearer, less distortionwith 6600?

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I am also interested to know if there is any vignetting when your adapter and CRing is used with 6600?

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This is not a better situation, these lenses are not in competition with each other because each covers a different aspect of wide-angle. The DCR6600 23.8 to 30mm.The Wcon08 28.8 - 37mm. The Wcon07 25.2mm - 32mm overlaps part of the DCR6600 but offers clean edges in this range. The DCR6600 produces a fantastic bright sharp almost distortion free view at 23.8mm but you have to clone not crop the corners. Here for you viewingeducation and enjoyment is http://lovelife.smugmug.com/gallery/543892 I will be selling both Olympus and Raynox lines so I am not pushing one over the other.



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Lovelife. Your gallery comparison is poorly organized. It's very hard to make comparisons. Not worth looking at IMHO.
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This is not a better situation, these lenses are not in competition with each other because each covers a different aspect of wide-angle. The DCR6600 23.8 to 30mm.The Wcon08 28.8 - 37mm. The Wcon07 25.2mm - 32mm overlaps part of the DCR6600 but offers clean edges in this range. The DCR6600 produces a fantastic bright sharp almost distortion free view at 23.8mm but you have to clone not crop the corners. Here for you viewingeducation and enjoyment is http://lovelife.smugmug.com/gallery/543892 I will be selling both Olympus and Raynox lines so I am not pushing one over the other.



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Thanks LoveLife. I'm sorry but I also find it's difficult to compare images in your gallery. What do you mean when you said "you have to clone not crop the corners"?

How is the lower of distortion when use wcon-08b? Is it less or more than 6600? Also how about the sharpness?

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This is not a better situation, these lenses are not in competition with each other because each covers a different aspect of wide-angle. The DCR6600 23.8 to 30mm.The Wcon08 28.8 - 37mm. The Wcon07 25.2mm - 32mm overlaps part of the DCR6600 but offers clean edges in this range. The DCR6600 produces a fantastic bright sharp almost distortion free view at 23.8mm but you have to clone not crop the corners. Here for you viewingeducation and enjoyment is http://lovelife.smugmug.com/gallery/543892 I will be selling both Olympus and Raynox lines so I am not pushing one over the other.



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Thanks LoveLife. I'm sorry but I also find it's difficult to compare images in your gallery. What do you mean when you said "you have to clone not crop the corners"?

How is the lower of distortion when use wcon-08b? Is it less or more than 6600? Also how about the sharpness?

Thanks.

The purpose of using a DCR6600 is to get a full 23.8mm wide angle if you crop the picture you are reducing the size, it is no longer a 23.8 view. That is how I look at it. Cloning is the use of PP to rebuild the corners eliminating the need for a crop.



I am not a web programmer and cannot position the pictures in a side-by-side shoot-out. You can see pictures of each lens separately by entering a search for Dcr6600 or Wcon 07 at the top of the page.

I sequenced the pictures this way to show the interplay between the TC and the Leica. I think that is more important then a side-by side.

You can blow eachpictureto 100% by clicking on the image over again and answer your own questions.

You can right click on any image size and save it on you own computer.

That is all I can do.



Worthless, I think not. There are no correct answers each lens has its place. I need to include the Sony 1.7x, a Wcon08, and maybe a Canon, but I am not going to post pictures of lenses that I would not use or sell.

Since I published this site, four people have complained and fifteen have made purchasing or non-purchasing decisions based on the pictures.
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Please don't misinterpret my comment about your gallery. I do find your helpsand everyone here very helpful. Thanks.
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