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Old Jul 11, 2005, 7:23 AM   #11
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Hi,
this is a flash update...
This thread is open to anybody, hoped somebody else would like to compare flash to non-flash pictures.
Had some time to search for the bug in the latest pictures again, but there was not a single one!

No flash, FZ5, MCON40

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Old Jul 11, 2005, 7:26 AM   #12
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FZ5, small bouncer, flash, MCON40
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Old Jul 11, 2005, 7:28 AM   #13
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Well here is the second (s)crew.
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Old Jul 11, 2005, 7:37 AM   #14
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Flash (I hope the light is allways sufficient!)
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Old Jul 11, 2005, 7:40 AM   #15
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As they met the party was over!
The male bugs began to fight, the question is why?
I have a FZ5 film with this event (4,4 MB) but I do not know where to post it.
Any comments?
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Old Jul 11, 2005, 11:45 AM   #16
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This is all going to give me nightmares.....................

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Old Jul 11, 2005, 3:25 PM   #17
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ok jussiuk,
you need a picture of the "non nightmare" type.
Available light with a little help of a flash light.

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Old Jul 14, 2005, 12:15 AM   #18
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On the FZ10, for the macros I use flash for, I tend to use a flash handle, and angle/adjust the flash until I am happy with the lighting. I also have a cokin ring flash, but find it kind of awkward and tend to not use it that much. But it has three adjust bulbs. that can be independantly adjusted from say 30 degrees left,below, or right respectively of your target to perpendicular to your target. But I find the reflection marks that come off of that flash are always a bit much if they are anything less than perpendicular to your subject. I've also found it hard to get the manual flash to work right with it...it seems to work perfectly sometimes, but if I shut it off and let it rest, the next time the same settings and distances don't seem to line up right.

All in all, I'm pretty impressed with most of the macros I've seen here.

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Old Jul 14, 2005, 2:29 AM   #19
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thanks fzfun!

I did not intend to make "nice" photos. Jussiuk is right with his nightmare effect.
Two objects - coloured and monochrome - show the restricted possibilities you have with the inbuilt flash of the FZ5. The fixed monochrome object is quite ok with or without flash. But the metallic green bug gains DOF, while loosing the original colour. The small bouncer - a transparent film container - did not help much. So forget the flash and hope there is allways enough light...
But! the freehanded portrait of the living bug could not be done without a flash.
In this case I used a balloon bouncer with 20cm diameter. The colour is preserved, there are no hard reflections and even the shadows are ok.
My second chance is a LED ringlight with 50 leds. Those shots can be compared to ringflash pictures. I use this part for "technical" objects and for focussing with low light conditions.

I found a flat 12,8x9,3cm 5400 K slaveflash at the brenner catalogue:
electra e-flash kit
Has anybody tested this device for macro purposes?

The next picture shows the effect of a "stoney" flash bouncer on a lady bug.
(transferred shown in another thread)

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Old Jul 16, 2005, 3:42 PM   #20
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My new canon 240d 52mm achromat has arrived.
Time to test this combination today:
240d, olympus a-macro = 6,7 diopt.
FZ5, F=8, iso 100, inbuilt flash, eye-cup, balloon bouncer 20cm diameter, no tripod, zoom 8x-12x.
These are the first results:
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