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Old Nov 1, 2005, 6:48 PM   #11
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right off the flash card no processing, low light...where if noise is an issue this is where you'll find it. Best regards,

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Old Nov 1, 2005, 8:42 PM   #15
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panasonic has a noise problem as ALL small sensor, many megapixel cameras have. all of them. some just manage the noise efficiently
and noise can't possibly be demonstrated by heavily resized photos

check the attachment
it contains a full size crop of a photo
and inside its the same photo resized at 25% of the full size
the big one looks awfull
the resize looks ok
so you cant possibly demonstrate noise using 640x480 resize of your photos
in 640x480 everything looks nice and clear
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Old Nov 1, 2005, 9:13 PM   #16
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Thanks for the tip. I tried it & its seems easy & effective. I like that you can compare the non-improved images versus the improved area.

It also looks like you can do it in a batch format. Have you tried that.It looks like you click onto a whole folder & go from there. From teh comments, though, it looks like I really wouldn't have to go to that level of adjustment.

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Old Nov 1, 2005, 10:01 PM   #17
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so you cant possibly demonstrate noise using 640x480 resize of your photos
in 640x480 everything looks nice and clear
That is exactly the point, so why are you worried about how it looks at 45 X 34 inches



I look at a lot more photos at say 600 X 800 than at 3264 X 2448 pixels

If you view the Photo full screen on your monitor you will notice very little noise

And you had to use a fuji picture to find noise.
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Old Nov 2, 2005, 6:46 AM   #18
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ohhh this fuji shot is shot in 1600 asa without any noise reduction
in case you wonder
it is shot in 400 asa and exposure -2
and then in adobe camera raw i used +2
so this equals to 1600 asa
i wanted to show something really noisy!!!
and to show that even this crap resized seems quite good
so stop the crap

and also i couldnt imagine that someone would pay 700euro if all he needed is 800x600 shots
you could have great 800x600 shots with ANY cam available at the market

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If you wish to not enjoy the FZ line of cameras ,thats fine but do not tell me what size to view photos, my monitor resolution is 1024 X 780 and there is no noise visible at full screen in a FZ30 photo up to ISO200 provided the photo was properly exposed..There also is no noise in the same photo printed at 9X 12.

Thats plenty good enough for me and I am sure it more than meets the requirements of most people that buy consumer cameras.

I do not understand why people must try to pass their wirer ideas on to others.

If you choose not to buy a Panasonic, thats fine with me.

And by the way, according to the exif,that fuji shot was at ISO 400 not 1600 and the FZ30 would have been much better.

And I do not buy into this wierd Idea that underexposing a shot(which promotes noise) can then be altered to achieve a good result, take the photo correctly in the first place.

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ohhh this fuji shot is shot in 1600 asa without any noise reduction
in case you wonder
it is shot in 400 asa and exposure -2
and then in adobe camera raw i used +2
so this equals to 1600 asa
i wanted to show something really noisy!!!
and to show that even this crap resized seems quite good
so stop the crap

and also i couldnt imagine that someone would pay 700euro if all he needed is 800x600 shots
you could have great 800x600 shots with ANY cam available at the market
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Old Nov 2, 2005, 8:42 AM   #20
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A better camera is one which provides good photos as out of the memory, with no or few need to PP.

But actually there is no such perfect cam.
Images need to be PP for adjusting contrast, sharpening, color castsand saturation, noise and more.

Noise Removal is not more difficult than other editing, but I see many pics in which it is not well done if not very bad.

It is not only about knowing how to use the program (or, better, the plugin) but also in applying it only to the parts of the image which need NR.

With Photoshop you can select uniform color areas, or just UNDO the NR filter in detailed areas (as grass) where NR often smooths the textures really too much.

This is very important, especially when you are removing noise from the already downsized image rather than to the 5Mp one.
Using automatic (batch) NR often causes unwanted loss of details in areas where you may want a "pointilized (or noise-like) texture be preserved, so this is not something to do in series unless you prefer smooth images to noisy but detailed ones.

If you are printing in small format you can also PP (via custom profiles) the 5MP images, but at this point you may dirtectly shoot at 2Mp to decrease noise.

NR is very useful when you want to use a 100% crop as in macros, where it often menages to smooth only the out of focus Background while also enhancing the sharpness (contrast mask) of the main subject...

I use Noise Ninja Photoshop plugin, but I am sure that Neat Image is at least as good as it, while Noiseware is slightly worse.
But the important thing is how to use these plugins (something good could also be done with Gaussian blur).



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