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Gazander Jun 28, 2007 10:43 PM

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So I played around with the new W30. Pretty compact and very nice looking cam.

Here's some impressions, I will focus on what I didn't like, but please don't say i'm RiceHigh :) (For the record, i don't know why everyone hates him. His k100d review was more informative than stupid dpreview's.)

Negatives:

Speed: Not so hot.

Focusingis acceptably quick in good light and pretty bad in low light (no af illuminator). Nowhere near as fast as the Canon SD600 though, but focus is very reliable.

Shutter lag: one of the great things abour the SD600 is that is cancels whatever the hell it's trying to do as soon as you release the shutter button. If you PUNCH OUT in the middle of the w30 hunting for focus, it'll keep hunting until it achieves a lock, or fails. This is moderately annoying.

Files: Write and access speeds are tolerable but still much slower than SD600, but they get around this in an interesting way. As soon as you snap the pic it writes to buffer then immediately gets dumped to the card. As a result, you can take another pic basically immediately. if you try to go into preview mode, there is a 1-3 second delay where it says "data being recorded". Not a big annoyance by any means.

White balance: Slightly... wierd. AWB is kind of strange indoors and even late-day/dusk conditions. Indoors under compact fluorescent bulbs, I could not get a white balance (even by measuring) that produced a pleasant image. This was fixed by selecting auto and cutting down saturation, which produced the nicest images.

Outdoors @ dusk, the preset for shade worked very nicely as did the measurement function. (punchy, warm colors) AWB did ok but I found the colors kind of drab and grey.

Exposure: Generally very good but there is a slight tendency to overexpose (clearly to return acceptable detail on the shadows that ma & pa would never know how to fix in PP.) In my shooting conditions (early dusk), I found -0.7 to be very good.


Positives:

Features: Excellent. The camera has some features I wish the SLRs had.

-Green button can be mapped to any function in the menu, up to 4. So in my case, pressing it once, I get EV, another time for iso, another for exoposure mode, and another for white balance.

-Menu items == 100% re-orderable

-Genuinely useful focus modes (AF, Inf., Macro, Panfocus (ultra-quick tracking af), and possibly the best MF implementation I've ever seen in a P&S)

-Has the soft flash (aka slow sync) and it works very very well.

-Perfectly smooth zoom

Ergonomics: By far the best ever.

If you're reading this, then you own a Pentax DSLR. If you do, then you will be instantly familiar with the way the 4-way controller works. It puts every other menu system/interface to shame with its amazing, beautifully elegant simplicity.

4-way controller coupled with the green button make controling the cam a breeze

Waterproofness: It works and it takes good pictures under water. What's not to like. Impervious to drunken outings at the beach.

Image quality: Like all P&S models, this camera is a real POS above iso 400, and a slow f/3.3 lens with no SR makes it just about useless for indoor available light photography.

That being said, it EXCELS underwater and in good light. Very clean, sharp images with beautiful color rendition. Much better than my promptly-returned Fuji Finepix Z2.


Anyway, less talking, more pictures:

Gazander Jun 28, 2007 10:44 PM

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Number two, slightly camera shake-ey

Gazander Jun 28, 2007 10:44 PM

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3

Gazander Jun 28, 2007 10:45 PM

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4... magic hour is about to begin

Gazander Jun 28, 2007 10:49 PM

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Underwater. All the other pictures were of my ugly mug making funny faces underwater. I'll save you all the horror unless you REALLY wanna see them.

mtngal Jun 28, 2007 10:59 PM

LOL! A friend of mine bought one to use surfing (maybe snorkling or low diving, but not very deep). He loves it and it really does work well underwater.

Rodney9 Jun 28, 2007 11:39 PM

:cool:Toy indeed, those photos aren't half bad at all and waterproof as well:cool:

Monza76 Jun 29, 2007 5:03 AM

Wrong forum or not, I still want one.

Ira

Keithw Jun 29, 2007 5:40 PM

Monza76 wrote:
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Wrong forum or not, I still want one.

Ira
Me too!

So what if it suffers from noise above 400ISO, it is waterproof!!!!

Although why anyone would need a waterproof camera in the UK beats me. I mean, even if the sea was clear enough to take photos it would probably be too cold. And it never rains here either :-)

Gazander Jun 29, 2007 6:03 PM

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This little guy does time lapse! (pic taken with k100 and FA43)



Gazander Jun 29, 2007 6:13 PM

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Gazander Jun 29, 2007 6:16 PM

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Very sharp underwater. if there is anything other than pool wall in the shot, AWB does very well.

Gazander Jun 29, 2007 6:16 PM

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300 cool points to the first person who figures out what this is.

Gazander Jun 29, 2007 6:17 PM

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I find this shot relaxing to the eyes.

Gazander Jun 29, 2007 6:18 PM

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Hills of terry cloth stretch on for miles

penolta Jun 29, 2007 6:27 PM

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Posting here because no one knows or cares about Pentax P&S forum
Yes they do -- if they want to complain about their S4 problems(My S4i was still working last time I used it).

Looks like you (and Pentax) have a winner here in this one - hope it holds up.

Pentax binoculars are among the best, too-- I wonder what the merger bodes for those.

danielchtong Jun 29, 2007 6:57 PM

Gazander

Very innovative series of pictures. You are very talented in focusing / portraying what you need to express. P&S has progressed so much these few years. Above water performance it matches the dslr of 3 yrs ago.
I may not want it as I cannot figure it out how often I will be shooting underwater.
There seems to be concern about noise. Well underwater, it is very quiet indeed.
Just kidding.

Daniel
http://www.pbase.com/image/73980100.jpg

Gazander Jun 29, 2007 7:36 PM

Thanks for all the nice comments! I really appreciate them.

LOL at daniel's line!

Bit of a funny story here too. My sister is looking for a digicam. She asked me to help her out a bit. Asked her if she's looked at the Pentax A30... she said no because reviews say pentax cameras are noisy at night. She said it with a confused look on her face.... After prodding her I found out that she thought it meant cameras emitted a loud buzz or chugging sound when focusing at night!


Anyway...

So I am basically completely satisfied with the W30. What I'm going to buy next is a silicone skin for it, to protect the body a bit. This would help cut down on scratches and depending on the construction could keep fingers away from the door latches.

I also had an idea about making it float, but I'll try it before posting it.


I contemplated the usefulness of a wp camera. In my case it had three other things going for it 1-taking pictures in the rain, and 2-taking it to the beach, where it won't be damaged by sand or water, and 3- Taking it with me on a night on the town.... a camera impervious to water is also impervious to beer!

Seeing how good this is, I can only imagine how much better the A30 is. Might pick one up once the price drops. SR is a godsend for these lil P&S models. What a shame Hoya is obliterating the P&S business.




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