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Wow, I'm impressed with all the replies this topic has received!
Perhaps "dishonest" was a poor word choice on my part. I think there is a difference in the veracity of a photo when it comes to cropping vs adjusting curves etc. because cameras don't necessarily get the image right. The image data is influenced by the engineers who developed the sensor, lens, algorithms, etc. Mtngal, you are certainly not a "hack" like me! You post wonderful, tasteful photos with extremely enjoyable commentary and technical insight. I appreciate that very much. Here's what got me thinking about photo-cropping: I see on various photo-forums people post pics, where the distant subject - tiny in relation to the photo's entire fram - is extracted and then posted for comment/critique. For example, here's a full frame: |
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But, instead of posting the shot, the picture-taker crops away 90% of the scene so he can display this:
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Now, unless the squirrel were doing something remarkable - say, picking his nose - what's the point of posting this postage stamp of a photo? Often, the pictures are even blurrier and less detailed.
I mean, I realize that all is in the eye of the beholder, and fact is I am just now getting over being pleased with any shot that is in focus. Maybe I was just too damn cranky and tired when I posted this topic! ![]() |
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Photography is a process which starts with your eye percieving a photo and the camera capturing it, then you post process it and Print or Post it on the web. Dishonesty is only there when you present it to people and don't tell( when asked )the truth of how you did it. Other than that it is honest in every way! All great photographers Cropped their photos from time to time...I cannot to this day understand why anyone would think cropping or post processing is not an honest way to prepare a photo. Enhancement is almost always done to your photos if sent to a lab for film processing. Why is it dishonest to artfully do that on the computer at your home? The final product is the end result of your artistry...Nice to get one right from the camera without post processing, but the odds are against any photographer-camera-lens-subject-setting combination allowing you to consistantly do that every time. Just ain't gonna happen no matter how good you and your equipment happens to be.
Go here and see this photo I took of my granddaughter. The B&W at the top is a crop and post process of the photo towards the bottom of the second page. Then please tell me how getting the B&W was dishonest by post processing the second photo? I wish I could do this all the time, if I can get results like this! LOL http://forums.steves-digicams.com/fo...mp;forum_id=80 Dawg |
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Dawg, I certainly don't consider post-processing to necessarily be "dishonest" - and again, I regret my choice of that word - as there is no guarantee that the camera catches scene properly. See my previous comments about that.
Except for a bit of funkiness in the lower right-hand corner of the photo of your granddaughter, it is a wonderful shot of a beautiful girl. ![]() I'll use Trojansoc's line here: "When shooting small birds, distance often forces me into a high crop ratio." So then, why shoot the birds, when, if your subject is the bird, it winds up being a blurry, unusable mess? -BB |
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So even though that squirrel cutout doesn't have much detail - if that's what you enjoy shooting then it's better than a sharp bowl of fruit (unless you enjoy shooting bowls of fruit ![]() |
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LOL!
Right on, John!!! |
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I like bowls of fruit - especially emptying them! :cart:
It's nice to see so many responses to this topic. For one thing, it's making me rethink my not-too-firmly established position on cropping. Of course, tasteful cropping can also be a challenge - at least for me. Anyway, I appreciate everyone's responses. :-) |
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I think that John posted the key to everything - it's what makes the photographer happy. I've kept the almost 100% crop of the red-tail hawkI took (after the raven left), even though it's not very good by the standards here (and I won't post it here). It's the best I've managed so far, and I'm quite happy with it. I even have kept the picture of the hawk flying away and looking back atthe raven, taken with the 50-135. I'm not much of a birder, and to me it was a magical moment to watch and capture at least a bit of what went on. Someone like Scott would take one look atthem and grimace. I'm sure John shudders whenever I post sports pictures in the past, though I've been practicing with track and have gotten somebetter pictures recently.
Also, cropping can create a beautiful picture, too, under the right circumstances - the picture I took of the raindrops on the spider webwas either 100% crop or close to it, and it was chosen for POD here at Steve's. On the other hand, you are right that cropping too much often makes for a lousy picture, showing up camera shake and focus problems that wouldn't be so apparent if the picture had been left full frame and resized down. This is an interesting discussion because it's also leading into what makes a good picture, from a post processing point of view as well as a technical point of view, as in how much cropping can you do and still have a "viable" picture (it's getting past my bedtime and I can't think of a better word. "Viable" isn't really the right word for what I'm trying to say). |
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