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Old Oct 13, 2006, 8:58 PM   #21
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''Big size and heavy.''

Really! Try holding my old Canon F1 N (film) with motor drive attached with 12 AA batteries inside that . Then attach my Tokina 35-105/ F3.5 -4.5. It ain't heavy, I'm used to it. :roll:
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Old Oct 13, 2006, 10:50 PM   #22
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Montey Python Argument sketch:

The Cast (in order of appearance.)
M= Man looking for an argument
R= Receptionist
Q= Abuser
A= Arguer (John Cleese)
C= Complainer (Eric Idle)
H= Head Hitter
M: Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.
R: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?
M: No, I haven't, this is my first time.
R: I see. Well, do you want to have just one argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?
M: Well, what is the cost?
R: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.
M: Well, I think it would be best if I perhaps started off with just the one and then see how it goes.
R: Fine. Well, I'll see who's free at the moment.
Pause
R: Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory.
Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.
M: Thank you.

(Walks down the hall. Opens door.)

Q: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
M: Well, I was told outside that...
Q: Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M: What?
Q: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q: OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q: Not at all.
M: Thank You.
(Under his breath) Stupid git!!

(Walk down the corridor)
M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A: I did!
M: You didn't!
A: I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not.
A: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M: No you did not.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't.
A: Did.
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell)Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A: I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.
Pause
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A: Thank you.
short pause
M: Well?
A: Well what?
M: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M: I just paid!
A: No you didn't.
M: I DID!
A: No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A: No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A: No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up.

(Walks down the stairs. Opens door.)

M: I want to complain.
C: You want to complain! Look at these shoes. I've only had them three weeks and the heels are worn right through.
M: No, I want to complain about...
C: If you complain nothing happens, you might as well not bother.
M: Oh!
C: Oh my back hurts, it's not a very fine day and I'm sick and tired of this office.


(Slams door. walks down corridor, opens next door.)

M: Hello, I want to... Ooooh!
H: No, no, no. Hold your head like this, then go Waaah. Try it again.
M: uuuwwhh!!
H: Better, Better, but Waah, Waah! Put your hand there.
M: No.
H: Now..
M: Waaaaah!!!
H: Good, Good! That's it.
M: Stop hitting me!!
H: What?
M: Stop hitting me!!
H: Stop hitting you?
M: Yes!
H: Why did you come in here then?
M: I wanted to complain.
H: Oh no, that's next door. It's being-hit-on-the-head lessons in here.
M: What a stupid concept.



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Old Oct 15, 2006, 2:10 AM   #23
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From what can be seen in the K10D full user manual (which can be found at: http://www.pentaxforums.com/K10D_Manual.pdf ), I summarise quite some of the major shortcomings of the K10D (well, I'm not bashing but there have already been so many praisings around the net so far and thus I think it's the time to have a more balancing view here):-

1. Big size and heavy - nearly 800g with battery and card;

2. Do not support *any* Pentax TTL auto flash in AUTO. User can just use and must use the flash as MANUAL flash (!?);

3. With 360/540 latest dedicated Pentax flash units, P-TTL must be engaged on K10D despite that those flash units DO support TTL or even Auto non-TTL flash mode;

4. Virtually don't support wireless flash with the wireless capable 360 and 540 flash, the manual says the user need to have TWO 360/540 flash in order to control and fire a wireless flash (!? again);

5. Ridiculously super large RAW file size - a 512MB memory card only holds 29 RAW images (~18MB each!?);

6. Default Auto ISO range is set at 100 to 400, full available range is 100 to 1600. When compared with the auto ISO range of 200 to 800 and the 200 to 3200 full range of all other Pentax DSLRs. One will not be difficult to relate that it is very likely the noise level of ISO 400 of the K10D will be something close to that of ISO 800 of K100D or *ist Dx and then the ISO 1600 of K10D will be as noisy as the ISO 3200 of the K100D and *ist Dx;

7. The Auto Rotation sensor works only very conditionally. The user must hold the camera vertically "with the shutter release button at the top and the mode dial at the bottom" to make it functions. But then some shooters including me prefer to hold the grip at the bottom for a more steady shot (believe me, it is better and more steady - do you know why? :-));

8. The operations of the camera seem to be a bit rather complicated afterall, overall speaking.

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Why is it that there are some kind of peoplewho no matter wherethey go they find nothing but uglines, while others can find beauty? Why is it that you work so hard for the negatives? Tell me, do youever find something positive in anything? do you ever praise?

So the camera is not even out yet and you'r already criticizing it. You have already found many faults. You haven't even seen it,touched it,or handle it. but it's already on your hit list. you'r brain is already calculating and set in gear doing already what you do best. You can't wait for your next camera victim. You'r itching to crap it.So you downlodad the manual and since that's all you got. you have alreadyfound a long list of shortcomingand I'm sure you will find many more,because I know your kind. You look very very hardto find faults andimperfections so you can post them. then watchthe world rotate around you. Isn't that what you want? are you seeking attention? Is theresome kindofvoid in yourlife? Do us a favor. keep your negative comments to yourself and seek attention elswhere.

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Old Oct 15, 2006, 6:55 PM   #24
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We had toendure endless negative posts fromMichael (RiceHigh) on Dpreview. There are some knuckleheads over there who zealously attack anyone who DARES to find even the remotest fault with their beloved Pentaxes. You know its gone over the top when firmware upgrades are being suggested for a camera that nobody has ever owned. I own a K100D, and it's a very good camera. I grew tired of some (but not all)of the longer-tenured dpreview members who were rude and intolerant of the views of others. They are a minority, only 4 or 5, but it makes it hard for new owners to get help. And if , God Forbid, you get underexposed photos, be ready to have everything but your choice of pizza toppings criticized. You will ALWAYS be wrong, never the camera. Pretty short-sighted.

RiceHigh lives in a delusional state in his quest for absolute linearity and perfection. It's a classic study. But to post a gigantic list of faults about a camera that he has never held is bizarre to say the least. And a little sad.

He craves the attention, and the best way to deal with him is toignore him if you don't agree with his views. He is Not going to change.
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RiceHigh lives in a delusional state in his quest for absolute linearity and perfection. It's a classic study. But to post a gigantic list of faults about a camera that he has never held is bizarre to say the least. And a little sad.
[align=left]The specs are out and the features and design should have been finalised (at least it seems to be). Why not take this last chance to reflect our opinions on the shortcoming and hope/imagine that Pentax can still do minor tweaked improvements when they fnally market the production model?

My opinions are expressed based on the published specs and design, so there is no need to handle one to comment, as I am not commenting on actual performance in the field. The ISO noise is a speculation of mine, though - but I tried to make a sensible guess as explained in the OP, according to the info in the user manual, and again.

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Well, I always tell the same also. But anyone of course welcome to discuss "normally" and express one's opinions in a sensible way.

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RiceHigh lives in a delusional state in his quest for absolute linearity and perfection. It's a classic study. But to post a gigantic list of faults about a camera that he has never held is bizarre to say the least. And a little sad.


[align=left]The specs are out and the features and design should have been finalised (at least it seems to be). Why not take this last chance to reflect our opinions on the shortcoming and hope/imagine that Pentax can still do minor tweaked improvements when they fnally market the production model?

My opinions are expressed based on the published specs and design, so there is no need to handle one to comment, as I am not commenting on actual performance in the field. The ISO noise is a speculation of mine, though - but I tried to make a sensible guess as explained in the OP, according to the info in the user manual, and again.

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He craves the attention, and the best way to deal with him is toignore him if you don't agree with his views. He is Not going to change.
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Old Oct 17, 2006, 7:13 AM   #27
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The PENTAX K10D was stated to have a nasty shortcoming, and that is known as high ISO performance. It was said that the high ISO performance of the Pentax K10D will be very bad, according to people. The problem with Pentax is that; they do not have the advance CMOS sensors of Canon; the current Sony CCD just won't be able to handle extra pixel crammings anymore. (At least from what I have heard) Samples from the SAMSUNG versionwas shown before (Sorry I do not know where), but people were busy discussing the poor high ISO performance with soft and noisy images etc...It was also known that PENTAX had dropped the ISO 3200 feature in the last moment due to poor high ISO performance. Clearly, all this serves to indicate expected poor high ISO performance from the new PENTAX K10D - the most highly anticipated dSLR.
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Past is not indicative of the future, though some inferences can be drawn.. That said, here are some iso 1600's shot w/ the Samsung version.

http://www.pbase.com/ohyva/gx10_samples

As to Canon there implimentation of "on chip" NR, though good is in no way perfect.

CMOS is inherently noisier than a CCD. Kudos for Canon but the noise levels are now fairly equal, PR aside.

BUT decide for yourself w/ these "snaps". Personally I'll wait for some more samples.

Minor discussion on them here.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=20491624

Suppose I should show scientific proof of Canon's mega superior lack of high iso noise:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos400d/page17.asp

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You see, the tiny pixels of thehigher MP chips have to gain up it's ISOin order to match the more sensitivelarger pixels; thus, resulting in more noiseat the expenseof signal.
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Buy one or don't buy one. Yer muney yer choice. If he pointed out the faults of my wife I'd still stay true. These are only words from ( since it hasn't been released yet) the unknowing. Wait and see. Besides I'll have one regardless. Too many long unused lenses, waiting for their revival! LOL
His opinion is His. Not mine. Though he may raise some points to ponder or wish for they are still and only his opinions. He neither has to be right or wrong. I don't have to agree. Instead of bashing his opinions I'd rather read them and then compare those opinions to the actual camera after I've purchased it. Then with a soft chuckle, go about the job of using the camera to enjoy myself!


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