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Old Nov 3, 2006, 11:26 PM   #21
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Little known, huh?

For Windows, perhaps Photogenetics (and the manufacturer has been out of business for years now). I still use it from time to time. Dave Etchells has an old review here:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/SOFT/PGEN2/PGEN2.HTM

For Linux and Windows, perhaps UFRaw (a raw converter based on Dave Coffin's dcraw.c). I also use dcraw.c by itself under both Windows and Linux relatively often.

You can find more about UFRaw here:

http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/

You can find more about dcraw.c here:

http://www.cybercom.net/%7Edcoffin/dcraw/

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digiKam for photo management and Krita for editing.
Both fantastic and both free.
I think windows users are going to be pleasantly surprised when kde gets ported over in the next year or so.
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Old Nov 4, 2006, 9:54 PM   #23
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Looks a lot like Corel Photopaint




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digiKam for photo management and Krita for editing.
Both fantastic and both free.
I think windows users are going to be pleasantly surprised when kde gets ported over in the next year or so.
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Old Nov 4, 2006, 11:17 PM   #24
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digiKam for photo management and Krita for editing.
Both fantastic and both free.
I think windows users are going to be pleasantly surprised when kde gets ported over in the next year or so.
Yes, digiKam is moving along nicely lately. It's got a pretty good user interface, and I find myself preferring it's tools to some of the better known image editing applications for simple tasks (USM, etc.).

I even posted a few screen shots from it showing the refocus and USM plugins in a recent forum thread, where someone had a blurry photo from using 1/3 second shutter speeds.

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...p;forum_id=318

You'll find it available in the repositories for many Linux distributions. It's free and will convert your raw files, too. Here are some screen shots of some plugins (and make sure to install the newest kipi plugins for it).

http://www.digikam.org/?q=image/tid/25

The newer 0.9.x beta versions of digiKam now support 16 bit editing, and the plugins have been ported to 16 bit, too. The 0.8.2 release in the repositories for most distros is limited to 8 bits per channel edits.

As for Krita, it's still a bit "rough around the edges" from what I can see (for example, the way it renders 16 bit images converting from raw). But, it's making a lot of progress and it's well integrated into KOffice. I've got KOffice 1.6 with the newer release of Krita installed now with Kanotix.

http://www.koffice.org/announcements/announce-1.6.php

My PC is setup in a triboot configuration with Windows XP Pro, SimplyMEPIS 6.0 and Kanotix 2006-01-RC4.

I usually install the "latest and greatest" stuff with Kanotix (currently running Kanotix 2006-01-RC4) since I can pull stuff from Debian Unstable or Experimental with it. That way, I can see what kind of progress is being made faster.

http://www.kanotix.com

But, I find myself using SimplyMEPIS 6.0 more than Windows XP or Kanotix lately. SimplyMEPIS 6.0 is based on Ubuntu 6.06 LTS, and is basically a better Kubuntu, uses KDE by default and lets you install packages from the Ubuntu repositories.

http://www.mepis.org

In another commercial product that's also cross platform, Pixel is worth a look:

http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=12

Ditto for Bibble if you need a fast raw converter with neat extra features.

http://www.bibblelabs.com/

I think UFRaw is probably the best free cross platform tool out there for converting raw files, since you can make major adjustments in 16 bit mode where posterization isn't an issue. Then, use another tool like the Gimp for minor tweaks (since the Gimp is limited to 8 bit editing). You could also use a tool like CinePaint (since it edits in 16 bit mode) . The newer 0.9.x beta versions of digiKam can also edit in 16 bit mode.

Depending on the image, I often prefer the algorithms in dcraw.c to ACR, and UFRaw uses the same demosaic algorithms as dcraw, adding a nice GUI interface and great extra features.
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Old Nov 6, 2006, 11:56 AM   #25
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Just a side note - you'd don't need Linux for these unix programs. There are many flavors of unix and several are free. I personally adore FreeBSD and cannot imagine using Linux instead. FreeBSD can run virtually anything Linux can, there's only one version so it doesn't suffer from the fragmentation that Linux does, generally has even better reliability, and the licensing is very different. Linux's license is actually pretty restrictive for developers while FreeBSD's is truly free (that's why Apple used it as the basis for MacOS X.) Which license you prefer is a matter of philosophy, but on a purely technical basis, FreeBSD is top-notch. It does tend to fly under the radar, though.

Back on topic - I use Irfanview for about 98% of my photo work, as I suspect that many of us do. I've just recently started using Raw more so I haven't decided yet how I'll end up in that regard. But it would take a massively impressive program to get me to give up Irfanview for my bread-and-butter photo work.

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I've been meaning to get around to trying FreeBSD. I've got a number of old PCs sitting around that I'd like to play with to see what I could get away with using them for other purposes via wireless (hook up one to entertainment center, another in the bedroom, etc.). So, maybe I'll try FreeBSD on one.

I just got one decent looking PIII a couple of weeks ago for free. It's got XP on it (and even has a legitimate XP install CD with it). But, I'll probably just wipe the drive and use it with another Operating System.

I don't know about the Apple part of your post, though. I've seen conflicting info on that. In fact, I see this in a recent FreeBSD review:

"A common misconception about FreeBSD is that Apple OS X is based on it. While some of the FreeBSD userland programs are used in Darwin (which is the operating system that forms the basis for OS X), the OS X kernel is based on Mach, not FreeBSD, so OS X is not "based on" or "developed from" FreeBSD in the traditional sense (such as the way OpenBSD was forked from NetBSD in 1995)."

http://www.softwareinreview.com/cms/content/view/37/1/

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Old Nov 6, 2006, 4:44 PM   #27
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Damfino - I use Irfanview a lot and used raw most of this year. Once you convert the raws to Tiff, put them in a directory and then open them with Irfanview, works great. Tiffs are non-compressed. I currently use SilkyPix and turn the sharpening to no sharpening and do my sharpening in Irfanview once I resize it. The nice thing about doing it this way is youhave done all your reworking with the Tiff and then save it to jpeg. You only are saving it once tojpeg, so loss is minimal.

After I am done and convert to jpeg, I get rid of theTiffs to savesize on my hard drive. The files are pretty big inTiff. Actually, working with the Tiff is quicker then working with ajpeg in Irfanview, since you do all your adjusments in the raw converter, you only need to resize and sharpen in Irfanview. Anyway, that how I do it- Bruce
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Jim, I've run a web site out of my basement (or closet depending on where I've lived!) for probably around eight years now, always on FreeBSD. Until very recently it also performed NAT duties until I finally broke down and got a cheapie wireless router. I don't believe it's ever crashed and the only problems I've ever had have been due to the hard drive filling up. The whole thing still runs off an ancient Seagate 4.3g SCSI drive - it backs itself up nightly but I'm still amazed that it runs with basically zero maintainance as wonderfully as it does. It's been on a few different hardware iterations, always "leftover equipment" - I think originally a Pentium 200 or so, currently it's a P3/700.

bper, I dislike TIFF because of the sheer size - it's a format whose time came and went years ago IMHO. If I want to move into a lossless format, I'd much rather use PNG. If there's some feature that TIFF has that PNG lacks, I'm not aware of it. Needless to say, Irfanview plays very well with PNG.
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i use paint shop pro 10, perfect for everything i need to edit a photo.
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The first photo editing software I made extensive use of was Corel Photohouse, it came with WP 7 and was very handy until I moved to the greater capabilities of PS Elements (version 1).

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