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Old Nov 14, 2006, 1:52 PM   #11
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found the other rabit
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/07/03/4120.html
and the difference is there, but not only the color, the scene has been reset the rabit has been stroked, (dropped or misstreated in some obscure way - one eye has been broken)

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Old Nov 14, 2006, 2:11 PM   #12
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Looking at the building pics I see lots of CA.

Hard to say: the lens is different between those two tests (16-45mm with K10D
and 18-55mm for K100D). Also, the light conditions are different. Not to mention an increase in resolution (10MP vs 6MP) would make the CA more visible when seen at 100%.

I would fault the lens for CA and wait for better comparative tests.
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Old Nov 15, 2006, 5:30 AM   #13
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Old Nov 15, 2006, 5:31 AM   #14
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It is the K10D and I expect this is the site he is talking about:

<http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/11/13/5035.html>

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Haven't I typed the link in the OP already? :-)

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Old Nov 15, 2006, 5:38 AM   #15
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Looking at the building pics I see lots of CA.

Hard to say: the lens is different between those two tests (16-45mm with K10D
and 18-55mm for K100D). Also, the light conditions are different. Not to mention an increase in resolution (10MP vs 6MP) would make the CA more visible when seen at 100%.

I would fault the lens for CA and wait for better comparative tests.
I have both the DA 18-55 and DA 16-45 and used both on my *ist DS and K100D. What I can tell is that the DA 16-45 is undoubtedly a better lens in optical terms.

I would be interesting to note that my DA 16-45 does have less CA on K100D than it was on my *ist D. Afterall, it is actually quite "sensor sensitive", I think. I don't know if the sensor of the K10D is again not so "friendly" to the DA 16-45. Nonetheless, the resolution of the DA 16-45 should by all means higher than the DA 18-55. And again, I just wonder why the test sample photos made by DC Impress are not so satisfactory in the end. So, it must be the body.

To compare between shots made by the K100D against those of the K10D is indeed very easy. Just zoom the 6M to 130% and keep the 10M ones at 100% OR to shrink the 10M pics to 80% and keep the 6M ones at 100%, for a fair comparison.

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While the other things you cite may indeed be problems with the camera's firmware, I have to question this particular comparison.
The firmware version 1.0 of the K10D simply means it is the firmware for the production model!

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The issue I have is the problems you mention above may not exist in the RAW image, but may instead be introduced by the JPEG compression algorithm.

I don't know if the compression was done by post processing the image or by performing the required compression within the camera. If this was in camera compression, then it may not perform as well as an off camera compression routine will.

Without the raw images to compare with, I can't say one way or the other what is going on.

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DC Impress like to post in-camera jpegs. So, it would be fair to see how the DSLRs perform by *themselves*. And, comparison amongst different cameras would be fair enough, too.

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Old Nov 15, 2006, 7:29 AM   #17
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Just found these links on the dpreview pentax forum, and thought that they might give some other views (sorry for the color but couldn't get the copy displaying correct)


Warning: Since exposures of the following samples are inconsistent, these may not be not a good comparison. But in case someone wants to see high ISO samples of other cameras on the same review site, perhaps it could be a reference more or less.

ISO 800
Pentax K10D
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/... .../image_for_link/71898-5035-14-1.html
1/10s / F5.6 / -1EV / ISO800 / Program (MTF priority)/ AWB / 45mm

Sony A100
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/... .../image_for_link/56928-4072-18-1.html
1/30s / F5.6 / 0EV / ISO800 / AWB / 70mm

Nikon D80
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/... .../image_for_link/61339-4415-15-1.html
1/20s / F5.3 / -0.67EV / ISO800 / AWB / 62mm

Pentax K100D
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/... .../image_for_link/57350-4120-14-3.html
1/25s / F5.6 / -0.7EV / ISO800 / AWB / 55mm


ISO 1600
Pentax K10D
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/... .../image_for_link/71900-5035-14-2.html
1/25s / F5.6 / -1EV / ISO1600 / Program (MTF priority)/ AWB / 45mm

Sony A100
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/... .../image_for_link/56930-4072-18-2.html
1/60s / F5.6 / 0EV / ISO1600 / AWB / 70mm

Nikon D80
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/... .../image_for_link/61341-4415-15-2.html
1/40s / F5.3 / -0.67EV / ISO1600 / AWB / 62mm

Pentax K100D
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/... .../image_for_link/57352-4120-15-1.html
1/50s / F5.6 / -0.7EV / ISO1600 / AWB / 55mm

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Old Nov 15, 2006, 7:36 AM   #18
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Hmmm.... just fif a down and dirty compairson between the K100 and k10. Don't think it will take a rocket scientist to figure out which is which.

Think the image speaks for itself. K100 upsampled.

BTW: Thanks for the Tabloid thread title.... Speaks volumes.
BTW2:The "cityscapes" were taken in 2 completely different light. K10 looks overcast as the K100 had bright,harsh lights. err.. could explain any CA differences. Didn't peep all the photos though....



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Old Nov 15, 2006, 7:58 AM   #19
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were those test photos taken by photographers?
is it my monitor or do non of their photos look any good
no matter which camera/lens combination
or did i miss something?

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is this anything to do with the subject?
http://pentaxk10d.dpnotes.com/pentax...o1600-samples/

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