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Old Nov 18, 2006, 9:13 AM   #11
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One of the reasons that I stick with a modest selection of lens - what can't be done with a Pentax DA 18-55mm & Pentax DA 50-200mm isn't worth worrying about, IMHO, unless you're into specialist work etc. or a semi professional.
True, but sometimes it's just fun to try out new (or should I say old ) lenses.

For example, 50mm fits both in my kit lens and my Tamron 28-200mm, yet I really enjoy shooting with the A 50mm 1.7

One requirement is of course that you actually use the lenses, and not store them in your closet to polish them every month
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Old Nov 18, 2006, 10:21 AM   #12
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Folks, I think you should read the famous article of Mr. Ken Rockwell which contains the great wisdom that you folks mentioned about!

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/7.htm

I think the lowest two levels of photographers, "rich amateurs" and "measurbators", apply very well for the cases you folks have pointed out!

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His answer instead of trying to learn more photography, is to go out and buy more expensive equipment based up reviews that says such and such lens is best. It saddens and annoys me quite a bit.
One of the reasons that I stick with a modest selection of lens - what can't be done with a Pentax DA 18-55mm & Pentax DA 50-200mm isn't worth worrying about, IMHO, unless you're into specialist work etc. or a semi professional.

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Old Nov 18, 2006, 10:23 AM   #13
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Then, I am sure that if you pick up the excellent gear of your friend, you can get even better results!

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Well said. Well said indeed. I have a friend who uses a canon 20d and the top canon lenses. Despite having thousands of dollars worth of photography equipment, let's just say I have not been impressed with the pics that he takes. He has a great camera and awesome equipment, but fundamentally, the problem is that he is not a good photographer. His answer instead of trying to learn more photography, is to go out and buy more expensive equipment based up reviews that says such and such lens is best. It saddens and annoys me quite a bit.

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I have always found the "I will jump ship" thing to be amusing, since there is very little difference between Nikon, Canon and Pentax. I have been shooting with friends that are professional photographers with my DS for quite a while now and I honestly have no N/C envy.

Switching to either of those brands will not make me a better photographer and I find my DS able to do things their cameras (D200 and 5D) can not. On the other side, they don't have any Pentax envy either, but all three cameras produce quality images, none of which are superior to the others in every image the camera shoots.

Pick a brand and stick with it, learn how to be the best photographer you can be instead of constantly looking for some new piece of equipment that will do it for you. I am getting the K10D, but not so it will make me a better photographer, but because it has some features I want that no other Pentax camera so far has.

I certainly could switch to Nikon or Canon if I wanted since I have quite a few A* and F*/FA* lenses that sell for outrageous prices and would cover the entire cost of switching if I felt at a disadvantage with my present gear, but I do not.

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His answer instead of trying to learn more photography, is to go out and buy more expensive equipment based up reviews that says such and such lens is best. It saddens and annoys me quite a bit.
One of the reasons that I stick with a modest selection of lens - what can't be done with a Pentax DA 18-55mm & Pentax DA 50-200mm isn't worth worrying about, IMHO, unless you're into specialist work etc. or a semi professional.

I don't think the consumer kit lenses can be faster, with better and smoother bokeh, and of less distortion, better corner resolution and etc. afterall. Well, all those will surely not be the sole need of a "semi-pro", IMHO.

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The Pancake lenses, whilst they are extra-ordinary compact, my own opinion is that they are not optically as good as older Pentax luxury optics, say, the FA Limited lenses.

Just take the 40/2.8 DA pancake to compare against the 40/1.9 FA Limited, as an example. The FA limited is faster (and thus also more control on DoF), only a bit larger, has smoother bokeh (except the undesirable "bright-ring bokeh" which appears occasionally), more natural colour rendition, exceptional 3-d feel (which I cannot find with the DA pancake samples).

Also, I have not a good impression on the DA lenses made in Vietnam, from my own purchase experience and what users report on the net, YMMV though. Here is one recent reported case of lens problem for both DA 21 and DA 40:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...hread=20912492

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I notice you don't have any of the new pancakes yet. Have you tried them outand do you have an opinion on them. I have seen some pretty nice pictures taken with them. I wonder if they are going to become the replacements for the 3older limiteds- Bruce
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Since I regularely use both of their cameras as well as their using mine, I find your statement to be incorrect, to say the least!

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What Tom!? Post a picture!? I wonder why he even has a lens list like this. What purpose can it serve?....D.


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It would be a big help to the forum to post a tripod mounted photo from each of those lenses you feel are the best to see what they are capable of.

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Old Nov 20, 2006, 12:44 AM   #18
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Simple. The purposes are: Wide is for wide shots; Standard is for standard shots, Tele is for Tele; Macro is for macro; Portraits is for portraits!! Well, but Zooms are also for Convenience, though!

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What Tom!? Post a picture!? I wonder why he even has a lens list like this. What purpose can it serve?....D.


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It would be a big help to the forum to post a tripod mounted photo from each of those lenses you feel are the best to see what they are capable of.

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Old Nov 20, 2006, 12:52 AM   #19
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Tom, I can't really follow the logics here. If the same supposed to be good photographer shoots with better against less good (or even inferior) equipment, it is very logical for him to get better results with better and more capable equipment for exactly the same shots of the same subjects/scenes, e.g. at least the image quality will be better (not even to say about the other performance and features which a camera can offer so as to open up more photo opportunities).

So, why this couldn't be true?

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Since I regularely use both of their cameras as well as their using mine, I find your statement to be incorrect, to say the least!

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