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Old Dec 29, 2006, 12:57 AM   #11
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Thanks Royce.

Any success I'll keep you posted.

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Old Dec 29, 2006, 7:34 AM   #12
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That's great depth of field on your fine forest shot Kjell.

What aperture and focal length please?

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DA 16-45 mm @ 29 mm and f8, ISO 400. Shutter speed doesn't show in PSE3, don't know why. But I remember that I held the camera against a tree trunk to avoid shake blur.

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Old Dec 29, 2006, 8:13 AM   #13
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If it moves... high ISO. Also if there is wind and you want to "freeze" the leafes, high ISO. ISO800 on my DL2 is great, ISO1600 very usable after some slight editing and prints very well on 5x7" - I wouldn't go higher because of the color noise that will destroy the greenish details in the wood imho.

On a tripod shooting a static object - f11+ and ISO400 or ISO200. Can go for some bracketing and try a HDR image perhaps if contrasts are too high?

Also I'd go for RAW and over- and underexpose the same shot to see what the RAW-converter can give me with that.

On a tripod I use the timer (old habit) - the 2s one on my DL2 works nice for that.

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Old Dec 29, 2006, 3:02 PM   #14
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Thanks thkn777.Lots of great recommendations here.

I had forgotten about the use of the timer for tripod shots which has worked very well for me in the past.

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Old Dec 30, 2006, 4:33 AM   #15
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G'day Ian
your bush is lot denser than my bush
but i still get the extreme lighting
personally i shoot in raw
and expose for the highlights
one thing i miss with modern lenses are the f marking which show depth of field
i know with my old manual 28mm that at f8 everthing from 5 feet to infinity is in focus
at f22 everthing from 2 to infinity is infocus
the trick is getting the shutter speed to match


heres one of mine if you want to take a look
http://johndolphin.net/photos/details.php?image_id=644
it is actually a series of vertically stiched photos

what about that hdr method??
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Old Dec 30, 2006, 5:47 AM   #16
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Great shot Gumnut!


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Old Dec 30, 2006, 5:52 AM   #17
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Thanks John

Nice shot.My latest thinking is to take the easy way.

Use the multi spot exposure setting rather than centre weighted which I use for bird shots and camera @ 800 ISO set on f16 to f22 depending on what shutter speed this gives and see what happens.

As my top interest is getting shots of birds I'm reluctant to go the Raw way but I know it will happen !!!HDR much further down the track !!!!

As I carry spare battery and SD card I suppose there is no excuse for not trying RAW !!!

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PS Blackbird's nest in back garden phoenix palm today.
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Old Dec 30, 2006, 7:56 AM   #18
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great shot ian. needs some noise reduction. here it is after2 passes thru noise ninja.

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Thanks Roy.Nice job.

I don't usually use noise reduction on bird shots as it is inclined to take away the detail.Will have to check out Noise Ninja.

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I hope you don't mind if I have a go at your pic too? The first denoise had lots of sharpening in it, so I was trying for something less just for the fun and to see what it would look like. It's not over the top but quite usable as I feel - maybe you like it.

I used PSP9 to clear some noise, then I did a "best look&feel" deconvolution with IA and adjusted the colors+WB in GIMP (that was only done because I felt it added detail in the means the picture had a better contrast) plus two times USM (huge and very small radius). More "intact structures" (watch background / tree details etc. for example) that way at the cost of overall "crisp/sharp" feeling at the birds. One can't have everything I guess...

Have fun!



I tried NeatImage for a while butfeel better (personal preferences) in going the long way using more than one tool. Nothing to batch-process, I know. Or maybe I just don't get the hang on the denoiser program controls... it feels so ... umm... artificial at times.

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