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Old Jul 1, 2007, 12:20 AM   #1
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i still havent gotthe K10D set in a way i like
i am still trying to find a good combination
i am finding it difficult to use manual lenses
esspecially with it set to manual
having to keep the on/off lever to the right while adjusting the shutter speed with the wheel below it isnt too easy
yet
unless there is another way?
the grip of the DS feels nicer, it has a soft curve to it
and i dont have a program that opens the raw files that works as well or as easy as raw shooter essentials did

other than that i am having great fun trying things out
i have only managed to take 620 photos so far

if any one has any suggestions for good settings
especially manual ones
i am all ears


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Old Jul 1, 2007, 1:51 AM   #2
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i still havent gotthe K10D set in a way i like
i am still trying to find a good combination
i am finding it difficult to use manual lenses
esspecially with it set to manual
having to keep the on/off lever to the right while adjusting the shutter speed with the wheel below it isnt too easy
Index finger holding the DOF/AE preview and thumb on the wheel comes to mind. Comfortable to my hand any ways.

And you dig into the Custom Settings menu, (especially after firmaware update) you would be surprised at the number of things there that are useful for manual shooting (like ISO in steps of EV.... vs just full stop/speed shifts..... EV set to 1/3 step.... and ISO set to follow.... suddenly between clean 800 and sort of noisey 1600, you then have 1000 and 1250 as choices. (and two steps between ALL the other ISO steps as well).

But most of these things for the clueless are by default set OFF so they don't screw things up to much and can't even find the reset to factory button. :O

There are two basic things I will teel any ne w K10D owner

#1 At least scan read the ENTIRE manual.

#2 Not shooting any thing serious JUST GO PLAY!!! Push every button and menu setting see what they actually do.

Hey its not like you are burning film/$$$ any more.

SIX months down the road the thing is still surprising me with what it can do when you just look and experiment. Thought I'd found everything..... NOPE.
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i still havent gotthe K10D set in a way i like
i am still trying to find a good combination
i am finding it difficult to use manual lenses
esspecially with it set to manual
having to keep the on/off lever to the right while adjusting the shutter speed with the wheel below it isnt too easy
yet
unless there is another way?
the grip of the DS feels nicer, it has a soft curve to it
and i dont have a program that opens the raw files that works as well or as easy as raw shooter essentials did

other than that i am having great fun trying things out
i have only managed to take 620 photos so far

if any one has any suggestions for good settings
especially manual ones
i am all ears

I know what you mean about setting the camera up. With so many different combinations and settings, it is very easy to forget what does what.

With manual lenses, put camera in M mode and then use the Green button to stop down the lens and set the shutter speed. Sort of like aperature priority. It seems to work for me.



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Old Jul 1, 2007, 7:11 PM   #4
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I also use the green button now - my little fingers find it a bit of a stretch, but I'm getting used to it. How is your metering with manual lenses? Some people haven't had any problems, but my K10 severly over-exposed until I did the unauthorized "fix" of changing to a DS focusing screen. It now meters correctly (maybe a slight tendency to underexpose, but not much) with manual lenses when using the green button.
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Old Jul 2, 2007, 6:25 AM   #5
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thanks guys
the green button sounds like the go
i have used it to see what it does
but was trying to do the settings by the more traditional method (old habits sigh)
i have been reading the book
and looking for things where i am having a problem
but half the time i dont know what to call my problem lol

i like the idea of the 1/3 stops
thats how my ds was set up

i havent shot many manual photos yet but i intend doing more
so i will watch for the exposure thing
personally i would like to be able to underexpose all my photos by a half stop
if i can find how to set that


nearly up to my 1000th shot and still shooting
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i havent shot many manual photos yet but i intend doing more
so i will watch for the exposure thing
personally i would like to be able to underexpose all my photos by a half stop
if i can find how to set that


nearly up to my 1000th shot and still shooting
Congrats just hit 11K myself since March.....

As to the underexposure that is easy in P mode if you have upgraded the firmware. (currently 1.20 and here if you haven't http://www.pentaximaging.com/custome...firmId=8793673 )

Go into the Custom Menu and look for the wheel settings for P mode.

The default is Av front and Tv rear (or vice vs), but you can set it one wheel to Prog shift (varying A and S combos for mettered exposure... basically Av and TV combined) and the other wheel to EV compensation that can be half or third stop steps.

That is the way I way I use my 10D most and it makes for a very fast to set and powerful combination. So you not only have mutliple A/S combinations but exposure compensation right at you finger tips at all times... eye never off the VF looking for a button and then finger contortions... the normal EV set would be and then only 1 time.

And BTW just looking if you want to be purely Av or TV, just noticed the other wheel in those modes EV or ISO can also be in those modes, too I don't THINK were in the original firmware... or at least not both..... but even if they were the addition to P mode, is a real powerful and flexible thing... if shutter OR aperture are not absolutes

And while you are at it set ISO sensitivity to follow your EV step setting.... this will give you either 1 or 2 ISO speeds between all the standard ones..... particularly usefull for between 800 and somewhat noisey 1600. (third stop adds 1000 and 1250)

PS today, tried to do a manual shot with a full manual lens (most of my even MF are are A's where no real need to do the preview (except to momentarily check reset maybe and check again)..... gotcha now.... FOR THE LIFE OF ME considering how well designed the rest of the camera is.... I don't know why they put shutter on the front wheel which must be adjusted while holding the DOF/AE preview (since other to measure cam has no idea of what stop is on a M).... is incredible awkaward .... and the one shooting mode on the CM there is no option to reverse.... all the other modes do and have wheel config but not M/B... something to send off to Pentax for the next firmware upgrade suggestion.


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thanks Hayward
the swapping of the front and rear dial sounds interesting

my battery is charging at the moment so i cant check it out
(or the rest of it)

it rained on sunday, so the weather seals got a bit of a test
(windscreen wipers on the lens would be a good idea lol)
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Well like I said that swapping ONLY applies to the semi AUTO modes (P/A/T/S).... and by the way just fired off a EMAIL to Pentax of what NEEDS to be in the next firmware upgrade that that doesn't apply to M/B modes... thats just dumb or that shuuter by defauts what MUST be adjusted with a M lens is NOT on the back wheel where easily thumb adjusted vs fore fingers contortion.

I would encourage you or anly one else that needs to use a M lens on a 10D to do so too.
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thanks Hayward
the swapping of the front and rear dial sounds interesting

my battery is charging at the moment so i cant check it out
(or the rest of it)
Well look around on the web you can get a second battery for $9 and like $5 shipping.

And actually many last BETTER that the OEM supplied battery.

No reason to be without power.... unless you really shoot and with flash like crazy.

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Old Jul 3, 2007, 10:38 AM   #10
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the battery charged and the update is done


i downloaded the pdf that lists the changes too
so i will read through that as well


i need a few things yet, battery, more memory, bigger camera bag etc
i will pick them up as i need them
so far the battery lasts about a week
and i just charge it mid week when i know i am not taking photos
thanks again for the help

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