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Old Jun 30, 2012, 2:15 PM   #1
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Default Garden Tests : DA*300 vs Tokina 300/2.8 vs Tamron BB 500, plus TCs

I have just acquired the Tokina 300/2.8 so wanted to give it a workout against my current 300-500 lens/TC combinations to see how it would stack up and when/if it would have an advantage over the DA*300/4 with or without the Tamron x1.4 and AFA x1.7. I threw the Tamron BB 500 Mirror into the mix just because I wanted to show some people how good this cheap lens can be if you can get past the occasional doughnut rendering of specular highlights !

So just down and dirty, these shots were taken the way I'd take them in the field (birding) and that means the DA*300 and Tokina 300/2.8 were used on a monopod (the Tokina especially is really just too heavy for handheld shots - though I did grab a few of a swallowtail butterfly that entered the garden just as I was packing up). The Tamron BB 500 was handheld - because currently in the field the DA*300 is on the monopod - so that is how I'd use it.

In all cases I kept the shutter speed at 1/500 and shot in RAW. And except for a few shots of some willing subjects at the end there has been no PP, i.e. no sharpening aside from when the RAW were imported into Aperture 3 and no Noise Reduction, but in a few cases I did use the auto-exposure and auto-curves button.

Note there is no systematical testing here - it's just what was of interest to me (and maybe someone else out there) !

So take of it what you will. If you like it then great ! If you don't think it's of any value then you can exit the thread and go onto another more interesting one. Hope this is of value to someone at least.

DA*300 vs Tokina 300 @ 100%


Tokina 300 + Tamron x1.4 @ 100%


B]Tokina 300 + Tamron x1.4 cropped vs AFA [email protected] 100%[/B]


DA*300 + Tamron x1.4 equalised to AFA x1.7 @ 100%


DA*300 cropped to 500mm FoV vs Tamron BB 500 @ 100%


Tokina 300 at f4 and at f2.8 @ 100%


Tamron BB 500, out of camera and @ 100%


My test subjects, these shots have had minor PP (sharpened but no NR applied). The lens and TC used are written in Red on the shots



Tokina 300 @ f5.6, 1/500 and ISO 1,250


Proud Mama & Papa and their brood (there are 3 one is out of shot).


Tokina 300 + AFA x1.7 @ f5.6, 1/500 and ISO 500
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Old Jul 1, 2012, 12:09 AM   #2
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Thanks for your efforts, I was thinking of selling my DA*300 and saving for some type of 300 2.8, maybe not after all.

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Thanks for your efforts, I was thinking of selling my DA*300 and saving for some type of 300 2.8, maybe not after all.

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Thanks Simon !

IMHO - do NOT sell your DA*300 ! It is a superb lens, maybe only the AF is a touch on the slow side but the IQ is simply stunning.

The lens I'm saving up for is the Sigma 500/4.5 .. but I still won't sell the DA*300 it is that good.
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Very interesting Kevin seem hard to beat that DA *300 with or without the TC's. The mirror would be the only thing in my price range. Oh well work = new lenses / retirement = not so much or limited price range. I will have to keep my eyes open for an old manual 500 or something

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An interesting comparison. It just confirms that the DA*300 is one of those special lenses. It looks like the Tokina doesn't play well with the AFA TC, reasonably with the Tamron. The DA* isn't all that much different with the two TC (some differences, to be expected). Not planning on getting a lens like that, don't think I'd be able to manage it at all.
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I agree with the others, a very nice comparison. I was a little surprised that the 300DA didn't do as well with the AFA. Have you tried it at various f stops? I'd be interested in seeing the results, both with it and the 300/2.8. I know from experience that with the AFA my Tamron 80-200/2.8 has a very sweet spot around 7.1-9 including the 1.5 factor of the AFA. Anything below that is usable but not nearly as good.

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Very interesting comparison, and some nice results with the new lens. Looking forward to seeing more photos with it!
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Thank you Hans. Yes the DA*300 is a fantastic piece of glass - now if only Pentax' AF were faster I'd get more bird shots) nothing whatsoever to do with the tog you understand)
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An interesting comparison. It just confirms that the DA*300 is one of those special lenses. It looks like the Tokina doesn't play well with the AFA TC, reasonably with the Tamron. The DA* isn't all that much different with the two TC (some differences, to be expected). Not planning on getting a lens like that, don't think I'd be able to manage it at all.
It certainly is a specie lens Harriet, very very special IMHO. I use it a lot with the AFA x1.7 on board. Until I can afford the Sigma 500/4.5 then this is my go-to birding kit.
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I agree with the others, a very nice comparison. I was a little surprised that the 300DA didn't do as well with the AFA. Have you tried it at various f stops? I'd be interested in seeing the results, both with it and the 300/2.8. I know from experience that with the AFA my Tamron 80-200/2.8 has a very sweet spot around 7.1-9 including the 1.5 factor of the AFA. Anything below that is usable but not nearly as good.

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Thanks John. I just wanted to try it wide open as the Tokina has a stop advantage over it anyway.

See my new thread on Pied Falconets - all taken with the K5 / DA*300 / AFA x1.7 combo.
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