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Old Oct 19, 2012, 4:25 PM   #1
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Hi all!! Hey, any advice about how to deal with birch tree leaves... in my photo, yeah, which had a lot of high dynamic ranges... nevertheless, the birch tree leaves... they are so small that the when you look at the photo, the leaves look as though they were "over-sharpened", which is something I avoid at all cost. Anyone here have any experience with birch leaves... or what to in terms of camera settings or post-processing? Thanks. Ned

LATE BREAKING NEWS!!! I spent over 2 hours working with this baby from RAW, I found a better aperture setting... I am quite chuffed to bits with the revised version on the right. Thanks for your patience and help


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Old Oct 19, 2012, 6:41 PM   #2
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Ned, I think that the foliage would not be as much of an issue if the image had a focal point. That is an object that would divert your eyes from the trees to an object such as a person in the foreground or a canoe in the water with a fisherman. In this image I think you are asking the birch trees to be the focal point and they are too fare in the back to carry the shot.

Perhaps others will be able to give you other suggestions, this is how we all learn here.

I think the shot could use some midtone detail and I took the liberty to adjust the picture to give you an example.



All of the above being said I like your image and envy your beautiful wooded surroundings.

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Old Oct 19, 2012, 7:24 PM   #3
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I understand the problem with tree leaves in images, especially when the trees are in the distance. I took this picture from a short distance and applied a small amount of sharpening.

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Old Oct 19, 2012, 11:50 PM   #4
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I tend to feel that leaves cant be 'fixed' so to speak as much in PP as are other things. It always seems like my best foliage in certain shots come straight from the camera, and are dependent on the lens and aperture / shutter used.

It's not always about the sharpening on the leaves but rather how the eyes perceive them.

There are images I have taken and seen others take where the leaves are quite blurry but the main subject was not. The leaves might have portrayed motion and made me imagine a subtle breeze but maintained a natural look regardless of the sharpness.

Go look at some of the greatest landscape oil paintings and notice theyre simply dabbed blobs of color, yet when you look at them you see the leaves.

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Wow, thanks everyone for taking a moment to offer your advice. It is much appreciated. In my photo, the leaves need absolutely no sharpening... but as they were, they looked over sharpened in the photo. I know one thing, I have 50 Euro kit lens... the image quality is not there... got to invest in a better lens. Thanks again!!! Ned
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Old Oct 20, 2012, 4:26 PM   #6
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Ok guys... I can see I have been hurting your eyes with the first photo... I did it again. Here the revised version, or to see the before and after side by side, go back to the first page. I started from RAW, taking the advice to use a different aperture setting and time. I think you will find this version to be better. Thanks for your patience, your advice and cc... and for taking the time to look. All the best. Ned

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You nailed it Ned! (IMO)
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Yes, much better, even looking at them on my iPad!
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Go look at some of the greatest landscape oil paintings and notice theyre simply dabbed blobs of color, yet when you look at them you see the leaves.
Thanks for your words, btw. I have been using Topaz Clean and Simply to achieve some of what you wrote... In my photo, it would be way, way too easy to over-sharpen the leaves. In paintings, yes, the deabbed blobs of colour etc help you see leaves that overly-sharp details can leave out. Thanks.
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Old Oct 21, 2012, 5:31 AM   #10
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Here is what the photo looks like when simplified and cleaned with Topaz. Not sure if it is all that much an improvement, but the birch tree leaves don't look over-sharpened when they were not over-sharpened.

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