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Old Mar 19, 2006, 2:41 AM   #1
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http://digitalcamera.impress.co.jp/0.../index_iso.htm

Well, the D200's higher ISO noise is really high, especially at shadow area. The Pentax DS2 has blue color cast and the objects are out-of-focus! The noise of DS2 are under well control, though. Again, I think when come to noise and WB, again, these are where Canon rules..

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Old Mar 19, 2006, 8:27 AM   #2
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I agree with Ricehigh on the high ISO noise with the D200 as friend has one and it is bad. I have tested my DS against a Canon 20D and my DS does a far better job with WB than his Canon as his 20D is the king of blown highlights.

I find it interesting that my DS has a better viewfinder and better noise control that Nikons latest greatest offering the D200, although the D200 has some other features I would love to have such as focus speed.

As you can see from my posts, I have never had the focus issues that Ricehigh seems to have with his Pentax DSLR's with my DS.

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(snipped..) against a Canon 20D and my DS does a far better job with WB than his Canon as his 20D is the king of blown highlights.
From the shootout test pictures in the link I posted, the DS2 produced blueish picture whilst all Canon DSLRs of all levels produced close to white ones.

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As you can see from my posts, I have never had the focus issues that Ricehigh seems to have with his Pentax DSLR's with my DS.
Well, in this post, I have never mentioned about the focus issues which I found with my 3 *ist D bodies and 3 *ist DS bodies I own, they behave exactly the same, i.e., serious front focus under tungsten lighting environments.

I just pointed out that the sample test shots in the link I provided are out-of-focus whilst almost all other DSLR models produced sharper focus.

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Obviously your test varies quite a bit from my practical application concerning WB and Focus.

I will continue to take photos with my DS that have great WB and are always in Focus except where there is pilot error on my part.

Why would you purchase that many Pentax DSLR's when they don't perform the way you want them to?

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Obviously your test varies quite a bit from my practical application concerning WB and Focus.
Tom, I wonder why you always insist I give my comments based on tests. I must tell here again that I found the problems when shooting and THEN did some tests to verify and locate the problem. Here is one of them:-

http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh/DS...cy_on_KEV.html

Actually, any *ist Dx camera I own behaves in a similar way and they MUST front focus under tungsten lighting! Enough said.

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I will continue to take photos with my DS that have great WB and are always in Focus except where there is pilot error on my part.
I don't know how you have imposed user errors with your camera, which I think making errors is not quite often owing to the user-friendly and somehow thoughful designed interface. In contrast, I am sure I have not made any user error for what I say for the camera problems which I am sure their existence.

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Why would you purchase that many Pentax DSLR's when they don't perform the way you want them to?
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I would have to also agree... I have never had any problems with any of my *ist D cameras concerning focus or white balance that I didn't cause.*dispite you conclusions...ennacac wrote:
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Obviously your test varies quite a bit from my practical application concerning WB and Focus.



I will continue to take photos with my DS that have great WB and are always in Focus except where there is pilot error on my part.



Why would you purchase that many Pentax DSLR's when they don't perform the way you want them to?



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Just curious to know which lens(es) and what shooting modes do you guys usually use?

BTW, the image taken by DC Impress with the DS2 is out-focused and blueish (whilst C and N DSLRs' pics aren't). I bet those knowledgeable guys would not lack the knowledge of how to use the DSLR properly..

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I use only film lenses and mostly FA* or A*.
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I use only film lenses and mostly FA* or A*.
From my experience, color response (which is different from WB, I am talking about the color rendition when the WB is correct) with those old Pentax excellent glass are better than digital ones, especially *ist D don't match well with DFA/DA lenses and the DS is doing better here. On the other hand, AF is more accurate with DA and DFA lenses than FA and F ones (A lenses are non applicable here as they are MF lenses).

Pentax DSLR is not something strong in WB to make everything white. Actually, I have the impression that it is intended to keep the atmosphere what our eyes see, but of course the WB is not quite accurate with strong color cast sometimes (more color cast than my eyes can see). But the strange thing is that sometimes the WB is unstable, e.g. for two consecutive scene shots (or even a series of shots) with just a little different composition, the WB can be different and I have experienced this for so many times.

Here are two example pictures, nevertheless:-

http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh/We.../IMGP0002s.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh/We.../IMGP0003s.jpg

A picture worths more than a thousand words.. (So, the above worths more than two thousand words ;-))

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I use:

DA18-55,DA 16-45/4, DA 50-200, FA 50/1.7, 77LTD,

and have never had any focus or colour shiftproblems that I didn't cause.

I would say that I am fairly demanding of the camera as well.
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