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Old Sep 22, 2009, 6:56 PM   #1
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This shot is another of those "through the side view mirror" routines. In this case, this womans husband and child are visible approaching.

"Family Reunion"




This, shot at the Cooper Union, is of a guy who choose to read his morning newspaper in the warming sun. Something about his posture caught my eye.




"Father and Child"

I love the look in this Fathers face




This couple, shot as I was entering my downstairs apartment, struck me as a good subject.



Finally, these two young woman were walking around the neighborhood, and finally found a good stoop to celebrate, well celebrate something.

"Pizza Celebration"

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Old Sep 22, 2009, 11:15 PM   #2
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When I see your daily postings of your street scenes I cant help but wonder.....do you have all these people's permission to first of all take their picture and secondly to publish their pictures for the world to see? And do you know for sure they all dont mind me and everyone else looking at them? Would you mind if I took a picture of your wife or your child and published it? Im not against street photography catching ordinary people doing ordinary things. But I dont think they should be shoved on the internet just 2 days after they were shot. They are a record to be viewed by the masses later. There are many reasons for my concerns. In your eagerness to publish the occurrences of others, what if there was someone who would be hurt by their exposure. There are more than a few people in witness protection situations. Women hiding from abusive husbands. People in compromising situations that they wouldnt want others to know about. Im sure there are other situations that I havent even thought of. I think what you are doing is careless at the least and bordering on criminal -- daylight voyeurism. I dont know how others feel about this, but I am curious and would like to hear some opinions.
P.S. One last question.....did you take your pictures at 10 37 Avenue, Corona, NY?

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Old Sep 22, 2009, 11:32 PM   #3
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actually, I believe it IS against the law, well in Canada anyways...(could be wrong tho..) But there is a moral issue..

Other then that...I found the photos very interesting. I too liked the guy reading the paper..
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When I see your daily postings of your street scenes I cant help but wonder.....do you have all these people's permission to first of all take their picture and secondly to publish their pictures for the world to see? And do you know for sure they all dont mind me and everyone else looking at them? Would you mind if I took a picture of your wife or your child and published it? Im not against street photography catching ordinary people doing ordinary things. But I dont think they should be shoved on the internet just 2 days after they were shot. They are a record to be viewed by the masses later. There are many reasons for my concerns. In your eagerness to publish the occurrences of others, what if there was someone who would be hurt by their exposure. There are more than a few people in witness protection situations. Women hiding from abusive husbands. People in compromising situations that they wouldnt want others to know about. Im sure there are other situations that I havent even thought of. I think what you are doing is careless at the least and bordering on criminal -- daylight voyeurism. I dont know how others feel about this, but I am curious and would like to hear some opinions.
P.S. One last question.....did you take your pictures at 10 37 Avenue, Corona, NY?
I don't need their permission either to take the images or to post them.

This is the second time you've made this statement, and it is simply not the case. The last time you made it, I posted links to various legal sites. I wont bother to do this again.

If in fact, the image can be shown to do "harm" to the person photographed I can indeed be sued. For example, a photograph of a man falling to the ground, with the caption, "Drunk hits the pavement," would open me up to all sorts of legal trouble, even if the guy Was drunk.

If I publish a book of these images, it is best to run each image by a lawyer, for their opinion. This is why you can go and purchase books on street photography.

As for the moral argument - Please. Do I care if my photograph is published? Not a bit. And if you care, you can ask me to delete the image, and as long as your polite, I will.

If you care, that is your problem - Here in the US (and I'm not speaking for anywhere else) such is the law.

Second, each and every person in New York is photographed a hundred times a day, either by stores or by the government itself. Do you think that these strangers, reviewing these images, give a damn for your privacy?

When I take these photographs I do it openly. I'm not hidden, I'm out in the open. In this batch, the only exception is the shot that I took while going home. Those people were unaware of being photographed.

Bynx, what is it with you and privacy? You object to these shots, while you and I, and the rest of us are watched as if in some version of 1984.

I seek to demean or distort none of my subjects - They are you and I. I'm a chonicaler, not someone on a mission to make us look bad.

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Women hiding from abusive husbands.

P.S. One last question.....did you take your pictures at 10 37 Avenue, Corona, NY?
well if they are, youve just told the husband where to find them

im not sure about the moral issue, i dont think id mind, but getting back on topic, i like some of your photos but the first photo, i dont see the point including the mirror if theres nothing of interest in it and the last photo, i think it would have made a better shot if you had moved to the left as to get a better reflection on the back of the Truck.

have you tried converting to B&W and adding grain?
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well if they are, youve just told the husband where to find them

im not sure about the moral issue, i dont think id mind, but getting back on topic, i like some of your photos but the first photo, i dont see the point including the mirror if theres nothing of interest in it and the last photo, i think it would have made a better shot if you had moved to the left as to get a better reflection on the back of the Truck.

have you tried converting to B&W and adding grain?
I have big problems with the "moral issue." There is none.

If I was in a country which believed that my image stole your soul, what is the moral issue? The moral issue there, is when in Rome do as the Romans. But I am NOT in such a country. And if someone feels I stole their soul, they are in a real delema...

Moral issues arise when you invade someones privacy. There is no moral difference between me seeing what you are doing, and me photographing what you are doing. While ANY picture can be taken if you are in public, if an image can be defined as causing "harm" to the individual, while the image can STILL be taken, if published or posted, I am liable to legal action.

Years ago, back in the days of film, I photographed hundreds of people on Second Avenue. All of them demanded I stop shooting them. Many of them physically threatened me. They were selling crack, and I told them to go to hell. Everyone in the community applauded me, yet not only was I invading their privacy, I was doing them "harm," since these pictures forced the police to crack down on this open theives market.

In the first photo, the womans family is visible in the mirror. In the last, I did move to the left, but the ladies had finished their pizza...

Time waits for no man/woman.

I wasn't sure if anyone would notice the reflection. Nice catch.

The subject of B&W is worth exploring. I've never been a fan of it, yet have to admit, often enough it does a better job than color. I haven't used B&W for over twenty years - When I developed my own film, I used black and white.

I have to give it a shot.

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You didnt answer my P.S. Was one of your shots taken at 10 37 Avenue, Corona, NY?
Your street photography is boring, amusing, interesting and probably a few other things. I dont have a spouse Im trying to find. Im not trying to get even with somebody that put my father in prison. Nobody owes me money. So whatever you post here is safe from me. But not everybody is me but everybody can see those images. I just think your postings of the individual people as your main focus is reckless and irresponsible. I agree we in big cities are constantly being photographed. But uness we did something wrong, the picture is never seen. How about posting pics of your family, your wife, your kid(s), your parents, your girlfriend, your boyfriend in the street for all to see. Someone other than strangers who dont have a say in your actions. Ya this is the second time Ive mentioned this, because it irks me when I see this cavalier attitude to the privacy of others. And it bugs me to think there are a lot of guys like you lurking in the bushes.

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You didnt answer my P.S. Was one of your shots taken at 10 37 Avenue, Corona, NY?
Yes, yes, I know, everyone in the witness protection program walks busy shopping streets, and spotlights themselves.

Bynx, do you even know anyone who has EVER been in the witness protection program? Do you think the "Mob," scans photo sites for Sammy the Bull? Do you think a-hole husbands need my help? Can you post an instance of this sort of thing occuring?

Don't be shy, spit out your real problems with this. Who knows? Maybe I can post some of the woman I shoot on a porno site? And that little boy, will be the subject of perverts, as opposed to them buying a kids fashion magazine.

Finally, no, none of these shots are from Queens. Does look a bit like Corona, but no, sorry, wasn't shot there.

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Finally, no, none of these shots are from Queens. Does look a bit like Corona, but no, sorry, wasn't shot there.

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Since R.M. Multiservices is located at that address I was pretty sure it was in Corona. So now, how about some pics of your wife and kids or boyfriend(s). Just walking around doing nothing in particular. And I really would like to see some daily shots of NY gang members doing nothing in particular.

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There is already a thread discussing moral and legal issues of street photography. Let's leave that discussion in that thread and stick to the photographs themselves in this thread.
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