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Old Dec 9, 2004, 1:19 PM   #1
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Some new experiments.













Hope you like them.

Greetings,
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Old Dec 10, 2004, 9:43 AM   #2
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photo number two is pretty cool:-)
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Old Dec 12, 2004, 1:38 AM   #3
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Hi Frank! I really like the colors. The reflection effects caught my eye too. I like the Santa one the best. Cool how just a small shift of one foot can change the posture, and add to the pose. Best regards,

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Old Dec 12, 2004, 8:40 PM   #4
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I like Santa, too. She looks SO young in that last one. Great experiments with the colors, angles and reflections!
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Old Dec 13, 2004, 1:01 PM   #5
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Hi Frank,

A few months ago, you posted a photo of one of your models with the USA flag as a prop.

At the time, I privately PMed you and expressed my concerns about this photo.

You chose in your reply to dismiss those concerns.

Now, once again, you have used the USA flag as a prop in the second photo in this series.

It is very disrespectful of the USA flag to use it in this way. This is no different than the US Olympians who, unfortunately, feel the need to use the USA flag as a cape nor American students who, sadly, burn the USA flag.

I challenge you now:

Frank, with all due respect, I ask you take a journey...a journey among the men and women of the Netherlands now in their 70's and 80's.

For them, the USA flag means something.

It means Freedom
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It wasthe flag carried by the Liberators.

The men of the United States armed forces who came to the Netherlands to free it from Nazi occupation did so out of the belief that Freedom should be there for all in the world.

Then, listen to these elders of the Netherlands.

Listen to their personal stories of Liberation.

Listen too to their stories of the years of Freedom denied under the Nazis.

Show them this current photo in your thread. Show them your previous photo with the USA flag.

Then, ask them, these elders, what they think of your photos.

Then, ask them what you should do. They will tell you.

Then, take a walk...a walk in a cemetery where the grave markers are small, all white, arranged in orderly rows. Then, silently thank them, these young Liberators in Eternal Rest, who gave their all in the prime of their lives for Freedom.

The option you have to disrespect the flag of the USA was purchased at an extraordinarily high price.

It was purchased with the lives of many, many American soldiers.

It matters not to this forum member should you choose to dismiss him, the messenger.

It is, however, the hope of this forum member that you heed the message.



Thanks for listening, Frank.

Anthony

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Old Dec 13, 2004, 3:09 PM   #6
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I agree with Anthony. I personally would not use a flag from any country in a casual shot out of respect for the people of that country. The exceptionat least for me is if it was properly displayed according to the standards of that country or in documentry and news photos.

Regards,

Mark

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Old Dec 13, 2004, 4:05 PM   #7
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My of my,
To be honest I have an UTMOST respect for every one who EVER fought in a war for the peace, let alone the allied forces who freed Europe.

I have looked up many sites after that about usage of the flag and found that there is no problem with it if :

The flag does not hit the floor
Is not used in a glamourous way or as a clothing prop
Is not used in a erotic or dishonoured way

In the FAQ of one site there even isa question about it from an artist.
The answer was:
Offcourse can the US flag be used in a piece of art, please do so. The flag is from us all and should not be used in a disrepectfull way, however we encourage the use of the flag in art as long as the respect is honoured.

To be honest I think I have obliqued to all that rules.
If not I will ask the moderators to remove my account because than I'm not fit for a US site I guess.

AGAIN I DO NOT DISRESPECT A FLAG IN ANY WAY.
I DONOT DISRESPECT ANYONE WHO EVER FOUGHT UNDER A FLAG.
THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT.
I just LOVE the looks and power the US flag stands for and THAT's why I use it in a photo, so to be honest it's more to HONOR than to disrespect.


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Old Dec 13, 2004, 4:11 PM   #8
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Oh and by the way.
You have a very nice way of pointing things out to me, but if you REALLY want to TEACH me something get the facts straight.

Europe was liberated in the 1945's and not the 70's or 80's.

And AGAIN I'm very thankfull for that because I hate speaking German or eating sourkrout .

But please don't be all mad at me because I use a flag in a CLEARLY NON DISHONORABLE WAY.

I don't want to hurt anyone but somehow you will alway's do.
On the other hand I think you must be very very very busy with this crusade.

When visiting the states we bought:
A tshirt with the US flag.
A bedspread with the US flag
Several small US flag's who are still hanging in our living room
A belt buckle with the US flag

After your last E-mail and now again when I did research ALL these things I bought are illegal..............

If the mods agree with you they can take the picture down and my account.
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Hi Frank,

Thanks for your heartfelt and prompt response.

We canagree to disagree then.

That is another wonderful thing about Freedom.

Also, Frank, a point of clarification...

When I wrote "now in their 70's and 80's", I referred to the age of your Dutch citizens now in the seventh and eighth decades of their lives. They are living, fleeting historians to a terrible time and to the Liberation.

For the record too, if you happened to be in the midwest USA, sometime, I would certainly offer to hire you for some family portraits. Your talents, your work and your "vision" are incredibly good!

In a very short time (if not already!), I am certain that youwill be making an excellent income with your talents.

In a word, I am in awe of your talents.

Anthony
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Old Dec 13, 2004, 4:57 PM   #10
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Hummx Then I have a question was there also a lot ofdiscussion going on when one of the american people put the flag on the statue of Sadam Hoessein? I don't think so that was on respect full!
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