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Old Oct 26, 2008, 7:39 AM   #31
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amazing work

Thank you!

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AH! NOW we are talking !!!

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I want a camera with ISO100, too! Compared with my DL2 (ISO200 minimum) that image is much clearer in -2ev mode and has less noise.*sniff* :sad:
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It's a great capture, Bahadir - nice dynamic range in the RAW file, a pleasure to work with. As a start I tried to see what a normal RAW development would look like, without pushing things too far. This is what I got. No tricks but the RAW converter and standard postprocessing (histogram, layer multiply, sharpen, resizing - that kind of stuff). The only touchup is a somewhat more vibrant color as I felt the red clouds looked a tad flat compared with the original RAW. Very minor adjustment, though. From my personal experience I think this could be something you really saw, of course your eyes had a better dynamic range... but color and overall feeling is quite nice to my mind. (since I depend on a TFT monitor, this statement is somewhat... umm... guesswork, I hope it works for your monitor). Color rendition of the stones and the sky looks good to me, I am quite surprised about the ships paint, which truly is very colorful/saturated, I thought it would be more pale... but the RAW converter insisted on these strong and saturated colors /shrug - who am I to question that?

It's already midnight here so I'll stop that here, but I will for sure try some other tricks, also in the HDR area, within the next days, as this was one main theme for this thread.

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Ok, here we go. This is my HDR attempt (please no discussion about "no HDR possible from a single RAW" - call it DRI, MDRI or whatever).

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I focussed on bringing out as much detail (structure/color) as possible while still trying to produce a photo, which doesn't look too artificial (we *are* talking about a certain kind of effect with that HDR approach, which includes somewhat vivid/strong colors and so on - but I don't want that shining/halo look). So *technically*as much dynamic range as possible was recovered from the RAW, histograms are used up almost completely, highlights and shadows (that's not what I used, though) adjusted etc.I already told you that I like clouds, so I payed extra attention to the sky and the clouds , maybe more than to the ship /blush. I am a bit worried about saturation, it's always hard to judge that in HDR's for me having only TFT's here. :?As for details - not much left in the RAW in the lower left corner... this is everything I could get without really destroying the overall image look, other than that I am quite pleasedwith image quality - astonishing, what a -2ev shot can give you. What do you say? Out of 3 attempts that was the best one, I stacked some self-made "bracketing shots" (JPEG's, developed from the RAW with different settings), mixed and matched layers and did some normal post-processing afterwards.

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In the first place I should thank you heartily for all your sincere and kind interest spending a lot of time on the editing and even creating a gmail account to be able to receive the 16mb. original raw file, oh, also foryour accompanyingtutorial narration!Regarding the clearness of the image @ iso 100, hearing some complaints about the noise, I was quite undecided whetherI should buy a K100D or even a DL2 instead of the K10D about this time last year. So, I'm also happy to read your compliment about it. Thank you once more for encouragement : ) I certainly believe the exposure of first shot is very important like the opening shotin billards if one is to shoot some furtherfor hdr!

Below will show better, I think, the aspects I likedin your both versions. Since I felt I haveno right to re-edit your edits, I simply mergedthe two aboveone on the top of the other with varying opacity. I shoud mention,your second one especially,on which much carehad been spent by yourself, served to bequite helpful! I'd also like to read your further comment on this...










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Old Oct 26, 2008, 7:42 AM   #32
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I like the first offering by bahadir. Definitely fits the title. It is much akin to a watercolor and the detail and emotion I feel from this reminds me of my father from his fishing days back home in Hawai'i.

The silouhette needs to be a bit darker or less detail shown for it to be a "silouhette". It is a matter of preference for me and it is a nice alternative to the original work shown here. The edits look good but does not surpass the first offering.

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Thank you for letting me know your opinion, Tom. No wonderit is the experience of the beholder which determineshis/her perception and then liking or disliking.Often the colours or mood from a certaintime of the day back in our 'childhood's garden'keep onpleasing us...Reading your background, I think there should be much in commonin ours despite the enormous distance!!

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Very interesting makes the mind wonder just what that boat has gone through in its' life.
Well put, my friend! That is often what makes us stop by and drawn in bya ruined house on our way for some long long minutes!!
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Old Oct 26, 2008, 3:13 PM   #33
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Hello Bahadir,
what shall I say in response of such kind words? Thank you and you are very welcome. When you started this thread - did you think it would grow that much?

I am happy that you like my edits and have to say that all the workwas very interesting for me and that I learned quite a bit from doing this. There are images that "work" for a given task, like HDR creation, and some don't. I felt there was the opportunity/potential in that shot to do something from just one RAW file, so when I saw your "true" HDR attempt and your questions about colors and overall feeling I took my chance to participate in the discussion. For me the whole HDR/DRI thingie has two sides - one beingHDR "art", the other the more technical dynamic range increase approach to overcome some limitations of camera/sensor.

So I understood your 5-shot-HDR as the art approach (after some initial confusion from my side, sorry again... ) and was interested to see another image/version coming from or based at that 2nd picture, where I liked the clouds very much. My last image is a technical oriented version, I am really astonished about all the details you've got in just one RAW shot! I think it shows another aspect of that scene/moment, the ship, the sky and clouds and since photography (partially) is about keeping moments you've seen in your mind and also sharing those impressions with others, it works like another point of view for me.

Another possible approach would be a black&white conversion, which would also add another point of view.

I like your blending of my two images, it takes away a good amount of the "HDR-overprocessing" in the last image, especially in the ship details and the rocks, also the blueish cast in the clouds was replaced by a more grey version. Judging by your 1st HDR image the ships bottom and the anchorstill has a "wrong" color, it's way too red, to say so. But I think we've pushed the limits quite a bit and should stop here, it was a good exercise and I want to thank you again for sending the RAW file.

Regarding ISO100 and details/noise, in some areasmy DL2 images are comparable with what I see from K10d users, especially when it comes to (almost) non-cropped and then resized images, but in general I think the K10d will give you better quality, so don't worry about your camera - I'd step up to a K10d or K20d if I had the chance

If I ever travel to Turkey and my route is close enough to that place I'll ask you if that ship is still there and will have a look for myself.

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Old Oct 27, 2008, 3:15 AM   #34
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Actually you've proved to be a great workshop friend, tn.: ) Please let me knowif you ever pay a visit around the cityI live (near Sardes and Ephesus)and I will gladly take you there for a shoot outfollowed by a fish and beer 'assesment session'as my treatMy sole intention right from the start was to be able to conveythe sentiment or a pre-thought of mine when I encountered that sight! Technical part, I meanhdr, layers, etc. really came later as auxillary tools only. I doubt if B&W would work well since the composion heavily relies on colour. But I'd be more than happy to see such an interpretation, or a selectice colour job Ah, I'd again take my brush and oil paints torealise further possibilities : )





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