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Old Dec 31, 2009, 1:15 PM   #11
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Here are some more shots I took last night in the Av mode as suggested. All of these shots were taken with F-5.6, ISO 3600 and EV -2/3. I found the exposure compensation to help a lot, getting at least the lighting of the pictures near correct. Still not impressed with the clarity. I can still get much clearer pictures with my P&S, than with the T1i. I can understand that the DSLR is a much more complicated piece of equipment, but I kind of expected with the larger sensor and better lense to get at least clearer pictures.

http://picasaweb.google.com/server42...56ISO3600EV23#
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Old Dec 31, 2009, 1:30 PM   #12
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i am not sure what you are expecting in these kind of shooting conditions. and i can't even tell what your shutter speeds were, since there are no EXIF data on these shots.

and i can guarantee if you shot in this kind of light with a p&s, they would not be clearer.

your story is quite typical of first time dslr users. they buy a new piece of equipment and expect that it will improve their photography. so they blame it on the equipment, saying they are disappointed, when in fact their equipment is performing as expected. with a dslr comes a learning curve. you simply must understand at least the very basics of photography to get the best results, a rudimentary knowledge of how shutter speeds, apertures, ISO's relate and how they impact your photos. Also at least some rudimentary knowledge of image post-processing is needed. the output for a dslr is at default less "punchy" and "softer" than a p&s because p&s cameras apply more aggressive default sharpening algorithms, more contrast, and more color. companies leave their default dslr output less processed in order to give you the user more control.

so keep experimenting, keep reading what you can on the internet, books, etc. and be patient, the learning curve is something you cannot just skip.
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I think you are expecting too much and I'm not sure that a P&S camera would give you this sort of quality. Under these conditions you are working well past the comfortable level for good photography without a tripod. I'm sure in normal lighting conditions you will get some lovely results with the T1i, I know I have been pleased with mine.
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Old Dec 31, 2009, 1:37 PM   #14
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A web site that might give some good and simple insight is http://www.diyphotography.net/exposure there are a few pages covering the components of a correctly exposed image and how varying the settings will change the photo.
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Here are some more shots I took last night in the Av mode as suggested. All of these shots were taken with F-5.6, ISO 3600 and EV -2/3. I found the exposure compensation to help a lot, getting at least the lighting of the pictures near correct. Still not impressed with the clarity. I can still get much clearer pictures with my P&S, than with the T1i. I can understand that the DSLR is a much more complicated piece of equipment, but I kind of expected with the larger sensor and better lense to get at least clearer pictures.

http://picasaweb.google.com/server42...56ISO3600EV23#
You may want to check out this site, the are some youtube workshop that may be able to help out.

www.dslrtips.com

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Old Dec 31, 2009, 5:27 PM   #16
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Thanks for all of the tips guys. Im glad that my problem is common and it gives me hope and enthusiasm to learn properly.

At least with the night shots I hoped they would have a lot more depth and definite color rather than the greyish, washed out look with lots of artifacts. I just wish the pictures looked a lot sharper than they do if that makes sense.

I didn't know most photographers usually did alot of post processing from their DSLR's. Thank you for pointing this out Hards80, Possible me not doing this is the cause of lack of sharpness, at least a contributing factor.


Mark1616, the shits you posted are great and they really show what I would like. They are very sharp and have good depth. I take the animal to be some type of Mule, but it's coat is very sharp, something ive had trouble getting with my shots.



I will read the material posted. I do use Linux as my main os, so don't have access to the post processing apps many Windows or Mac users do. Do you guys have any suggestions?

Thanks again.
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http://www.gimp.org/

open-source photo-editing software for linux. quite powerful from what i hear.
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I have a suggestion:

Buy and read this book.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/081746300...l_8nep6sp5ri_e

As Dustin has said, it's a very common theme, and particularly so at this time of year.

"I'm coming from a P&S, I got an expensive DSLR camera, and now my pictures are much worse. What's wrong with the camera? Have I got a bad lens? etc."

Answer - No. The camera and lens are almost certainly fine, you just don't know anything about photography yet. That's not a problem, no one is born knowing this stuff, you just need to spend a bit of time on learning the basics.

The equipment you have now has the potential to take far better pictures than you ever did before, but if you don't know how to use it you will get worse results than a P&S.

Gimp is quite powerful, but not very friendly. Though I suppose you wouldn't be using Linux if you cared about that. ;-) There are lots of documentation/tutorial links on the Gimp website and this book is pretty reasonable:

http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-GIMP...2459114&sr=8-1

Try Bibble 5 for a good commercial product that runs on Linux.

Or if you ever get tired of doing things the hard way you could just run Windows or Mac and get yourself Photoshop. :-)
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Another good site which I like because it has almost everything you need to know in an easy to read and very illustrative format. It's: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials.htm
I have no affiliation with the site, just enjoy it's free information.
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Gimp is quite powerful, but not very friendly. Though I suppose you wouldn't be using Linux if you cared about that. ;-)

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Or if you ever get tired of doing things the hard way you could just run Windows or Mac and get yourself Photoshop. :-)
Yea, yea, yea. Some of us prefer to use Linux, even though we also have Windows on the same PCs. ;-)

HeavyBird:

Digital Imaging products for Linux are coming along quite nicely now. For example, I use digiKam for a lot of tasks (managing images, cropping, usm, refocus algorithms, resizing, curves, etc.). It's an easy to use photo management solution with lots of good editing plugins available (make sure to install the latest kipi plugins, too). If you're not familiar with it, see page for more info. If you look under the About menu choice, you'll see links to an overview, feature lists and more.

http://www.digikam.org

Make sure to install showfoto, too . It's got most of the same functionality that's built into digiKam, except that it doesn't have the album related features. I keep both installed in the Linux distros I use.

Krita is also coming along nicely, and it's well integrated into the KDE Office Suite.

http://krita.org/

Another product worth looking at is Lightzone (commercial, but now available for Windows, Mac and Linux operating systems):

http://www.lightcrafts.com/lightzone/

As already mentioned, Eric Hyman also offers Bibble for multiple operating systems (Windows, Mac, Linux). Bibble 5 Pro was just released a few days ago, and it's really slick software.

http://bibblelabs.com/products/bibble5/

Google's Picasa is also available for Linux:

http://picasa.google.com/linux/

Make sure to see Raw Therapee (also available for Windows and Linux). It's free.

http://www.rawtherapee.com/

For imaging editing, make sure to look at Cinepaint, too (it supports 16 bit editing and more, where the Gimp is limited to 8 bits at this time, although work is well underway to support higher bit depth editing in the GIMP).

http://www.cinepaint.org/

You can also run a lot of Windows applications under Wine. I've been pretty surprised at how many applications run fine that way. I even have multiple versions of IE installed in Wine, so I can check to see if a given browser version has problems with a site, without running Windows to find out.

You can also run a copy of Windows in a Virtual Machine under Linux if you absolutely need something that won't run in Linux or Wine. I'd look at the free Sun Virtualbox for that purpose. It's coming along nicely:

http://www.virtualbox.org/
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