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Old Apr 27, 2012, 5:07 PM   #11
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You are of course correct ; I now see the OIS right on the lens, and in many descriptions.

I willl try to dig up the reference that said the opposite, but perhaps it was an early pre-release sheet... or just plain wrong .
I wrote Samsung directly on this question... and now I am more confused then ever. See response below. Clearly there is a mis-communication here , but I am at a loss how to get a staight answer out of them. What are they trying to say???:
From: Samsung Customer Support Center [
Sent: April-27-12 05:33 PM
Subject: [ANSWER]OIS on NX-20

Thank you for contacting Samsung Customer Care.

We understand that you want to know whether NX-20 and NX-210 comes with 18-55mm OIS lens.


We apologize for the confusion in the previous email.

NX-20 and NX-210 does not come with 18-55mm OIS lens.

Only NX-10 model camera does come with 18-55mm OIS lens.


Thank you for contacting Samsung.


Kind regards,

Steve
Samsung Customer Care
http://www.samsung.com.ca

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Huh ???
What do you mean by the statement that the NX-20 and NX-210 does not support 18-55 zoom - that lens comes standard with it !!!!

Are you trying to say that while it comes with an 18-55mm OIS lens, the OIS feature ( ie image stabilization) is not recognized by the NX-20 and NX210 ?? !!!


Please clarify asap

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From: Samsung Customer Support Center
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:15:12 PM
Subject: [ANSWER]optical stabilization

Thank you for contacting Samsung Customer Care.

We understand that you want to know whether NX-20 and NX-210 have 18-55mm zoom.


We will be glad to assist you in this regard.


Yes, NX-10 has 18-55mm zoom where as NX-20 and NX-210 does not support it.


Thank you for contacting Samsung.


Kind regards,
Steve
Samsung Customer Care
http://www.samsung.com.ca

I have read (perhaps incorrectly) that the NX-10 had an optical stabilized 18-55mm zoom... but the NX-20 and NX-210 do not

1) is that true?
2) is it true just for that one lense, or all NX lenses on the NX-20 / NX-210?

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Old Apr 27, 2012, 5:36 PM   #12
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On thie issue of other lenses, I have two circa 1970 Nikon lenses.

- 50 mm f1.4 to f16
- 28 mm f2.8 to f22


I saw a $20 adaptor advertised here ; might it actually work on the NX20?

Here are the lenses. I think these are F-mounts???








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Old Apr 27, 2012, 9:19 PM   #13
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Yes, for lens choices, it somewhat limited. The 18-200mm is a good all around lens to have especially for traveling, but it is on the expensive side. I wonder if you can buy the NX20 with the 18-200mm without buying the standard 18-55mm lens. Then all you need to buy is the 60mm f/2.8 for macro.
What is budget anyway? I suggest you should look at the new and soon to be released , Nikon D3200 at $699.
As to budget, would like to keep to about $1200 CDN (w/ two lenses) before tax. On the shortlist:
  • Samsung NX20 #1300 with:
    • 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 OIS II
    • 50-200 mm f/4.5-5.6 OIS II
  • Nikon D3200 - $1150, with:
    • AF-S DX 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR
    • AF-S DX 55-300 VRII f/4.5-5.6G ED
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Old Apr 27, 2012, 10:59 PM   #14
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I have to see it to believe it that the new NX2o and NX210 don't come with OIS. Samsung got to be joking by saying that. Until all the publication I have read is wrong, it should come with an i-function 18-55mm OIS lens. Please see the attached picture. If you want to buy this camera, go to a store which has the camera to make sure if this is the case before you jump in to get one.

To answer your second question about the old Nikon lenses will work or not. Yes, it will work but only in Manual and Aperture Priority modes with an adapter I have one myself. Take a look at the second picture.
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Old Apr 28, 2012, 2:59 AM   #15
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Default Even the NX200 has OIS!

Here is a picture of the NX200, it even has OIS on the 18-55mm lens. This is the same lens on the NX20 and NX210. I don't think Samsung is that stupid to ship an expensive camera with a non-OIS lens. Their tech support is just bad and misinformed.
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Thanks for the Nikon NX confirmation. That's really good news.

I agree with you that customer care is wrong and misinformed. Thats not very reassuring going forward (unless its jsut the one guy).

I seen a few (older) Samsungs at the stores, and they are clearly OIS, like the litrerature says and pics confirm.

I wrote customer care back to ask what lens they think the NX20 comes with !

The only thing I can think of is there is a nuance being lost in translation. For example, these links indeed do say no image stabilzaition. Curious as to why.
I believe the above is the disnction between BODY stabilzation vs LENS stablization. Note the link here which says "Due the lack of sensor stabilization in Samsung NX cameras the producers had to equip the lens with an optical image stabilization, a sensible move by the way"

This would explain why some of the reviews do quote specs with no image stabilization.

It does not however explain the response from Samsung Customer Care.
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I guess my only remaining concern is that , at least in Canada, there is no customer care or tech support for Samsung. That might be a show stopper.

Following the ridiculous response posted above, I asked them the followng "If the NX20 does not come with an 18-55mm OIS lens, then what lens does it come with !!!????

Thier response was even more bizzare .. " Thank you for contacting Samsung Customer Care. We understand that you want to know the type of lens used in the NX-20 camera. We will be glad to assist you in this camera. We see that NX-20 uses Samsung lens. We at Samsung always value customer suggestions and stand by them. "

I tried chat during the posted hours, and five out five times: " Sorry! There are currently no Live Chat agents available.Please try again later.
Hours of operation are 10:30 am - 7:30 pm (EST), 7 days a week

I have a good dealer, but it would seem a samsung pruchasr is not good plan if one needs any true info/support from Samsung. No longer anxious to buy if Samsung is this 'absent'.
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I am puzzled by the answers you get from the Samsung tech support. They don't seem to know anything. The only other standard lens which Samsung has is the 20-50mm non-OIS lens, the one used on the NX100. If they bundled it with the NX20, you should not buy the camera and look elsewhere like a Nikon D3200 or something. I really doubt if they will do that, it is like committing suicide by jumping over a bridge. Good help is hard to get these days, I feel sorry for Samsung.
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I went to the US support site. Its a bit better. They didnt quite answer the question either (other than to say image stabilization was good!), but at least they have a chat feature and other support links.

I am trying to compare the physical size of the NX20 with the D3200 (hard to compare side by side in real life as the stores I've been to dont have one of each - new or older models.

I tired to scale them as best I could per attached, using the published dimensions. If I did it right, its quite a difference!



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Both Nikon D3200 and Samsung NX20 are brand new camera with state of the art technology. I don't think you will regret by choosing either one. But at the end of the day ,you have to consider post purchasing support and system expandability. Looking at the lenses and accessories available for both camera, you can help to notice the stark difference of Nikon's advantage over Samsung. No doubt the Nikon is bigger and heavier than the Samsung, but that shouldn't be the determining factor. It is the way it handles and fit into your hand whether you feel comfortable with the camera. I always prefer to have a DSLR with a larger hand grip. For me I am used to heavy camera in my old film days with medium format cameras. That is why I eventually bought a Canon 5D MKII.

If you by any chance end up buying the Nikon D3200, the second lens (telephoto zoom), you should buy a FX (full frame) lens in case you want to upgrade to a full frame DSLR like a D800. DX lens can't be used on a full frame DSLR. I don't really know that much about the Nikon lens system, this is something you have to do some research on, or perhaps, post the question on the Nikon forum.
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