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Old Nov 8, 2007, 9:17 AM   #421
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The next closest competitor in the hybrid scene is the Canon TX1...
And what about the Canon HV20?
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Old Nov 8, 2007, 9:29 AM   #422
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The HD1000's 720p/60 = actual 60 (full) frames per second, not fields. So it'sdefinitely more fluid.
Thanks Caelum, the fountain of all knowledge....

I was thinking that myself alright but I wonder why vegas is reporting it as 30fps?
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Old Nov 8, 2007, 9:44 AM   #423
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[...]why vegas is reporting it as 30fps?
Strange... I just triedimporting sonata1's 720/60p sample "SANY0004.MP4" into Vegas 6.0d and it reports it as "59.940 fps"(60 fps). Same with my media players. For 1080/60i, technically 30fps is correct (reported by mymedia players).
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Old Nov 8, 2007, 10:13 AM   #424
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Digerati, I don't see the HV20 as a hybrid. IMHO, yes, it is better. ButI see it as a full fledged camcorder first and foremost. Certainly, when it comes to portability it can't compare.

Latinoise, your best option is probably to use Vegas to convert the files to MPEG-2 (720x480)as that is the vide codec DVDs use.Once you burn it on DVD using any standard editing software, it should play on DVD players going to an analog source fine. You can make that DVD your "analog" copy.

Your second question Iwas actually wondering myself.Thanks for the explanation Caelum. I'm not really sure why either one would shoot at 30fps if 60fps is available.

On my 60" HDTV the 1080i source is slightly more sharp. Just slightly... but you really have to be "looking" for it to actually even notice. From 7 feet away you're probably not going to notice. And it's 1080 interlaced, not progressive. I would say difference is negligible, but to each his own. You really have to test it out yourself because everyone's eyes are different.

Unfortunately, Vegas right now is the only program that seems to be able to work with the HD1000 files. Hopefully in the future the other programs will follow.
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Old Nov 8, 2007, 10:27 AM   #425
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Apologies Caelum, I actually meant the full hd mode. It is being reported as 30fps which is incorrect if the HD1000 records Full HD at 60 frames per second? I will try my 1280*720 @ 60fps mode tonight.

when you say 'For 1080/60i, technically 30fps is correct' I am now confused as it is 60 frames per second as you already mentioned.
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Old Nov 8, 2007, 10:50 AM   #426
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No, 1080/60i is 60 fields (half frames), not frames per second. Iwrote "technically" 60i = 30fps because it takes two interlaced fieldstocreateone full frame; what I explained before was that 60i is not exactly equal to 30p since each field should represent a different point in time, so more motionshould be represented. Whereas 720/60p= 60fps, no matter how you look at it.
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Old Nov 8, 2007, 11:38 AM   #427
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Ok, that makes sense. The interesting thing is that the 1080i/60 looks as good as the 720/60even though the 1080i is really 30fps. Should the 720/60 not look much better?
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Old Nov 8, 2007, 12:29 PM   #428
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Ah, but it all depends on how you are viewing your 1080/60i video. Today high end 1080 HDTVs, like powerful PCs, are capable of doing sophisticated interpolated de-interlacing of the fields and the end result looks nearly 60fps even though it's only receiving 60 "half frames per second" of actual information. Add to that the higher resolution and 720/60p doesn't have much of an advantage. But on a 720 HDTV 720/60p should look better.
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Old Nov 8, 2007, 11:13 PM   #429
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For the curious, here's a link to an article on Wikipedia on deinterlacing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing

And another on 720p:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/720p

You can follow links in the articles to 1080i, etc., etc..... Eventually, you can know everything about everything! :-)
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I read from an article that some HD camcorders use interlaced CCD (eg. Canon XL H1 andSony HDR-FX1/HVR-Z1U), while some use non-interlaced CCD (eg. JVC GY-HD100). Non-interlaced CCD provides native progressive scan mode (720p in JVC's case), but interlaced CCD can only provide "faux" progressive mode, that is emulated progressive mode, something like doing de-interlacing from interlaced videos. See: http://www.eventdv.net/Articles/Read...rticleID=37864

Obviously, non-interlaced ccd should do better in its native progressive mode, and vice versa. Now I just wonder if HD1000's cmos is interlaced or not. If it'snon-interlaced, then 720p should be its native modeand we might better stay with its 720p mode. If it's a natively interlacd cmos, then the 1080i mode should do it best, and the 720p mode is not real, but emulated!

From Sanyo's official material, it looks very likely HD1000 uses a interlaced cmos (フルHD動画60field/s対応、1920x1080i高速*み出しを実現。 Full HD video 60 field / s corresponds, 1920 x1080i fast readout realize. 全高清錄像60*/秒對應,1920x1080i快速讀取實現). Thus HD1000 does not have a native 720p mode, right?


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