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Old Dec 10, 2007, 5:29 PM   #361
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My questions would be

1. whether folks have had similar experiences (and have found solutions that are not already covered);

2. whether this may be a "bad copy" of an hd700 and a more pronounced problem for my device as compared to others;

3. and whether the CG6 has appreciably better low light performance than the hd700? (I've watched the guy's helpful video review on youtube.)

I recognize that it may be impossible to judge having no real footage, but am curious as to opinions. Thanks. DC Michael
I ordered both the HD1000 and the HD700 and was really, really hoping after having seen how much bigger the HD1000 was that the HD700 would be good enough. Sadly, it wasn't, especially not in low light environments.

I shoot in low light quite a bit, living in an older house with weird window placement and lack of central overhead lights in the living room, and the HD700 was horrible in low light. I can't tell you with any objective measurement that it is better or worse than the CG65, but subjectively the CG65 seemed to edge the HD700 by the tiniest margin in terms of image quality, probably because it has 1 million less pixels to gum up the sensor. That is fairly common with many "new and improved" models. Look at the flak Fuji is getting now that they have stupidly abandoned their hallmark low light image quality with the 6MP sensors and joined the megapixel race. Their 12 MP cameras now are worse in all areas of image quality than the 6 MP's of two years ago. Stupid!

Same thing with the HD700 and CG65, although of course not that pronounced with only 1 million more pixels. That's MY opinion, anyhow.

As for workarounds, only those that have already been mentioned - getting a video light or fixing the focus to be manual or both. And if you're taking pictures, you can always use NeatImage or NoiseNinja to clean up some of the crud.

But no, it's definitely not specific to your camera.

Makes me wonder if Sanyo has ever considered implementing one of those active/passive AF systems. An AF assist LED should be technically feasible by now, after all, the Olympus SW series models have one now. So why not Sanyo?






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Old Dec 10, 2007, 6:26 PM   #362
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My questions would be

1. whether folks have had similar experiences (and have found solutions that are not already covered);

2. whether this may be a "bad copy" of an hd700 and a more pronounced problem for my device as compared to others;

3. and whether the CG6 has appreciably better low light performance than the hd700? (I've watched the guy's helpful video review on youtube.)

I recognize that it may be impossible to judge having no real footage, but am curious as to opinions. Thanks. DC Michael
I ordered both the HD1000 and the HD700 and was really, really hoping after having seen how much bigger the HD1000 was that the HD700 would be good enough. Sadly, it wasn't, especially not in low light environments.

I shoot in low light quite a bit, living in an older house with weird window placement and lack of central overhead lights in the living room, and the HD700 was horrible in low light. I can't tell you with any objective measurement that it is better or worse than the CG65, but subjectively the CG65 seemed to edge the HD700 by the tiniest margin in terms of image quality, probably because it has 1 million less pixels to gum up the sensor. That is fairly common with many "new and improved" models. Look at the flak Fuji is getting now that they have stupidly abandoned their hallmark low light image quality with the 6MP sensors and joined the megapixel race. Their 12 MP cameras now are worse in all areas of image quality than the 6 MP's of two years ago. Stupid!

Same thing with the HD700 and CG65, although of course not that pronounced with only 1 million more pixels. That's MY opinion, anyhow.

As for workarounds, only those that have already been mentioned - getting a video light or fixing the focus to be manual or both. And if you're taking pictures, you can always use NeatImage or NoiseNinja to clean up some of the crud.

But no, it's definitely not specific to your camera.

Makes me wonder if Sanyo has ever considered implementing one of those active/passive AF systems. An AF assist LED should be technically feasible by now, after all, the Olympus SW series models have one now. So why not Sanyo?

I agree about the megapixel race. I am all for lots of megapixels but not at the expense of light sensitivity and noise.
For a device that is really meant more as a camcorder than a camera, a 3MP or 4MP CCD would've been plenty for me.

The flip series of pocket camcorders seem to be taking the right approach with a large 1/4" VGA sensor giving them great low light recording ability. Of course the tradeoff being you can't take decent stills with them not to mention they have no expandable memory.

If they are going to use a high megapixel sensor they should use a larger one at the very least. I only hope Sanyo don't try to put a 10 or 12MP CCD in one of these cameras!

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Old Dec 10, 2007, 9:02 PM   #363
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Crazy pricing games from Amazon: in the course of the day, the brown HD700has gone from$350 to $300 to $500.
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Old Dec 11, 2007, 9:11 AM   #364
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Crazy pricing games from Amazon: in the course of the day, the brown HD700has gone from$350 to $300 to $500.

Makes you wonder if they are getting a lot of returns. Maybe they are playing with a pricepoint that will reduce the number of returns without giving it away! Of course that wouldn't explain the jumps back up to $500. Who knows how their system works!

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Old Dec 11, 2007, 9:35 AM   #365
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They could have a slew of one model or other and have a "system" of thinning the herd. The red one is still at $379 and the silver dropped to $399, while the brown went up.

People are buying them up and reselling them on ebay. Other dealers aren't playing this game. Although I'd assume that some will be lowering their prices to compete, but how do you compete with fluctuations like this?

Wish Amazon would play with the prices on some other things I'd like to have. :-)
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OK we went to a restaurant today on South Padre Island to eat with some friends and I took along the camera for some more test shots. My wife and I along with our son also went to the Beach.

Here is the gallery:
http://www.pbase.com/rgv523/hd700more

There are a couple of macro shots in the restaurant where we ate and we noticed a whole bunch of Portuguese man o'war washed up which you can see some photos of. Have to be very careful with these creatures as they can potentially be deadly if you get stung by them!

Be sure to select 'Original' sizing to get an idea of the detail this camera can pick up.

Here are a few quick videos I took as well:

http://www.viddler.com/hockford/videos/3/
http://www.viddler.com/hockford/videos/4/
http://www.viddler.com/hockford/videos/5/
http://www.viddler.com/hockford/videos/6/




Very nice, but wich resolution did you use ? (7mp, 5 mP...)
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OK we went to a restaurant today on South Padre Island to eat with some friends and I took along the camera for some more test shots. My wife and I along with our son also went to the Beach.

Here is the gallery:
http://www.pbase.com/rgv523/hd700more

There are a couple of macro shots in the restaurant where we ate and we noticed a whole bunch of Portuguese man o'war washed up which you can see some photos of. Have to be very careful with these creatures as they can potentially be deadly if you get stung by them!

Be sure to select 'Original' sizing to get an idea of the detail this camera can pick up.

Here are a few quick videos I took as well:

http://www.viddler.com/hockford/videos/3/
http://www.viddler.com/hockford/videos/4/
http://www.viddler.com/hockford/videos/5/
http://www.viddler.com/hockford/videos/6/




Very nice, but wich resolution did you use ? (7mp, 5 mP...)
I always use the full sensor resolution (7MP) since I don't really see the point in using anything less except for the 3 widescreen ones which are 5MP due to the cropping in that mode.
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Crazy pricing games from Amazon: in the course of the day, the brown HD700has gone from$350 to $300 to $500.
The price at amazon uk are not changing at all currently at £319.00 = 649.93 us dollars.

You say that top price in usa is 500 dollars that would be £242.52 british pound - in us dollars we are paying149.93 more! So I paid the equivalent of 649.93 dollars for mine, well actually I paid more as I bought it off qvc for £329.00!!
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visorblue:Wish I hadyour creativity
Which creativity? The goofy, but still functional, wide angle adapter -- friend calls it the "slingshot mount", or the stuff on my HD700 web gallery? Thanks, either way.

Uploaded some of the stuff to YouTube yesterday. Whoa, what a quality drop. Surfed for hours reading assorted times and uploaded the same clip eight times varying settings as I read articles. Got one that looked decent so I uploaded the rest with those settings, they look terrible. Sheesh. :shock:

One of the reasons I bought this camera has come to pass, I shoot a lot more video than ever before now that there's a camera in my pocket. While I was waiting for them to prepare my lunch yesterday I shoot some video of the people working at Jack in the Box. No heavy bag of gear to lug around or setup. Love it!

I bought a microSD card for my PDA that came with a SDHC USB reader. However, I just use mine in the dock and it works fine. Don't really plan to remove the 8GB card from the camera.

I didn't read or try this but found this just for you, Prince Lynx:

"Hotfix for Windows XP that adds support for SDHC cards that have a capacity of more than 4 GB":

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934428


style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"Thank you visorblue I found that link as well couple weeks ago however I just can't find the link for SDHC Patch for XP. I'm a bit dumbfounded it seems. If you or anyone have the link I would appriciate it as I just can not find the link

style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"BTW: Amazon.com has the silver back down to $299 again (this time I got the $100 credit) but for those that have not gotten the credit yet I would urge you to do so ASAP as price of this product on Amazon is not stable.

style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"I've now have had this Sanyo HD700 for a few and finally will get to try it out tonight when I get home. My first Camcorder... just pathetic.

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Old Dec 11, 2007, 3:39 PM   #370
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I moved my four sample videos off viddler onto vimeo since they have a HD viewing option just to show it at a little better resolution than on viddler.

http://www.vimeo.com/428818
http://www.vimeo.com/428822
http://www.vimeo.com/428826
http://www.vimeo.com/428828

Those with a vimeo account can also download the original files.
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