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Old Dec 17, 2007, 6:27 PM   #1
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Hey guys, sorry if this question has already been asked (probably has considering the amount of CG65/HD700 arguments on here...).

Basically I was looking to buy a camcorder to go travelling with and to chronicle my experiences into video, later to become a DVD.Upon searching I discovered the HD700and the CG65.I was upset then to find out that if I bought the hi-def cameras I would not be able to edit or play them on my PC's as they arejustof average spec. I told myself I would settle for the CG65, as I would also be saving myself money.

The question is then: is it possible to downgrade video quality on the HD700 to one of average quality, still good enough to make into a mini-film but not so high that my computer will freak out every time I open Ulead? I could still take incredible photos and be futureproofed for when I upgrade my PC, but be comfortable at the moment with my average quality, thus solving all issues!

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Old Dec 17, 2007, 8:15 PM   #2
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Sure you can, just use the TV-SHQ setting. It is basically the equivalent of the standard definition mode cameras such as the CG65/E1.
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Old Dec 18, 2007, 12:07 AM   #3
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What type of computer config do we need to play these 1280x720 mp4 files? I have a Core Duo 2Ghz with 2 gig of ram, 7200rpm drives, etc, etc. and still my system hickups on playback when using basic Quicktime. Is that the problem? Quicktime?


BTW, rgvcamis right. You can easily downgrade. I typically record in 1280x720 but render the video to mpeg2or Windows media format (1280x720). I don't have any issues playing back then. Guess I answered my own question above...

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Old Dec 18, 2007, 4:54 AM   #4
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Well this is slightly off the main problem but still valid, dont use Ulead, its slow, buggy and a right pain in the ass. Get Vegas 8 its like going from black and white tv to HD ready tv! I used Ulead for the past few years and recently just got vegas since ulead is terrible with HD clips and I amamazed at the stress and needless time consumption I could have avioded if I had tried vegas earlier. Give it a try!!!!
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Old Dec 18, 2007, 7:31 AM   #5
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Sure you can, just use the TV-SHQ setting. It is basically the equivalent of the standard definition mode cameras such as the CG65/E1.
So will TV-SHQ setting make footage as easy to edit as the CG65's?

I thought the camera would just have a high/medium/low setting for quality?
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Old Dec 18, 2007, 10:01 AM   #6
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Sure you can, just use the TV-SHQ setting. It is basically the equivalent of the standard definition mode cameras such as the CG65/E1.
So will TV-SHQ setting make footage as easy to edit as the CG65's?

I thought the camera would just have a high/medium/low setting for quality?
Both the high definition mode and standard definition modes each have an SHQ mode and an HQ mode. The only difference between the HQ and SHQ mode is that HQ has 2/3 the bitrate of the SHQ mode. I guess you could say the SHQ equates to high quality and the HQ mode equates to medium quality. There is no low quality setting. If you can't play the files from the HD-SHQ mode then you probably won't have much luck with the HD-HQ mode either. I wouldn't even bother with the Web-SHQ mode.

The HD700 uses the same codec as the CG65 ie h264 so I would imagine it should be the same editing wise in the TV-SHQ mode. I don't do any editing myself so others hopefully will chime in with a more experienced opinion.

Out of interest, you can always shoot in hidef mode for archive purposes and just convert to a different format for your current purposes, just as blegate does. The reason I say this, is that at some future point when you upgrade to more capable equipment, you will then have the hidef video already captured. Remember you cannot go back and recapture past events, so always try and capture in as high a quality as you can.
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Old Dec 18, 2007, 10:04 AM   #7
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admin238- have you downloaded any samples to try out in an editor? I use Vegas Pro so I don't have any issues since it's capable of editing this file type (standard or HD 720i) very easily.

I think Ulead Videostudio should be able to do this but I quit using that program about 6 months ago.

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Out of interest, you can always shoot in hidef mode for archive purposes and just convert to a different format for your current purposes, just as blegate does. The reason I say this, is that at some future point when you upgrade to more capable equipment, you will then have the hidef video already captured. Remember you cannot go back and recapture past events, so always try and capture in as high a quality as you can.
This is what I want to do but I have no idea where to start. I'd like to be able to take and save videos in HD but somehow convert them to whatever and make DVDs from them to pass around to family members.

Any "School Teacher" types on here that can tell me in simple steps how to do that and what I need to buy? Vegas Pro? Or?

I have a new and fast Vista laptop but sure I need something else.
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If you don't want to spend the money on Vegas Pro, the HD700 comes with Adobe Premiere Elements editing software. I've just started trying it out on my Vista machine and it seems to work well. What I intend to do is to edit HD movies and then export them to .wmv files which I will be able to watch on a computer and, hopefully convert to HD DVD sometime in the future when HD DVD burners are affordable. In the meantime I will also burn the edited movies to standard DVDs.

With the Adobe software, I tried using the original mp4 files but they wouldn't run properly in the preview pane, so I didn't try exporting them. Instead I used the program MP4Cam2Avi (available free to download) which puts the mp4 files in an "avi container" allowing you to edit them as avi files. In the past, I've done this with the files from my CG6 in Windows Movie Maker and it's worked well. I tried editing the HD files in Movie Maker as well but there was some roughness in the results so I tried the same approach in Premiere Elements and the results have been very good. If you don't mind the extra step of the Mp4Cam2Avi conversion, this is a simple, cheap way to do what you want to do. It's also possible that if I had some other codec installed the mp4 files would play nicely with Premiere Elements and you wouldn't need the intermediate step.
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