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Old Feb 17, 2008, 6:20 AM   #1
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Maybe some of you are interested. I tried today different typs of microphones.

1. Soundman OKMII Classic Solo microphone. I use them a lot to do live music recordings on gigs etc.

http://www.soundman.de/usa/usa.htm

2. Sony ECM DC70P
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ECM-DS70P...522&sr=8-1


3. onboard camera mic.

The external mics where leveled on "3".

Unfortunatly you cannot hear the difference as good, as with good headphones or a good sound system. But I hope you will be able to hear a difference.

My personal favourit is the Soundman. These are headmicrophones. You usualy wear them in your earst just like walkman headphones. That way you get a real good and authentic stereo recording. I also think the sound is the fullest an richest.

I use them a lot to do live music recordings on gigs etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGcJfoFbNyY
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Old Feb 18, 2008, 12:30 PM   #2
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Hi, it't me again. I did a new test, since a member has asked me to. This time i recorded only me speaking.

The basic conditions where the same for all 3 microphones.

This time i placed the HD1000 on a table, plugged the mics in and the distance between me and the camera was ca. 1 meter. I started with the internal mic setting on 1 and raised them 1 by 1.

The last recording with the soundman is with the microphones in my ears, I didn't change the mic level than. So the last 2 recordings with the Soundman are both on mic level 5. They are a little like in ear monitor, just that you record with them. In my opinion the best solution at all. You have a real good stereo panning. Your hands are free and you don't have to worry about a thing.

You probably wont understand what I'm saying since it is in German, but it was bull anyway:blah:. I just talked a little bit and raised the mic level. But what you can hear is the difference between the several settings and the microphones.

Here are the links.

http://www.simplysax.de/HD1000/soundman.mp3

http://www.simplysax.de/HD1000/sony.mp3

http://www.simplysax.de/HD1000/intern.mp3

My result for this test is, that the internal mic is in this test realy bad. I still like the soundmans most.

The Sony EMC DC70P aren't bad too, but the problem with them is, you have the mic hanging loose down the camera. So if you move around or do something, it could hit something. You cannot plug them in right away, since you would have to have a microplug adapter. Even if you have this adapter, I'm not sure, if the mic would fit under the camera lens. It would probably pick up a lot of noise, that your hands might make, while you are working on your camera.


One thing that realy suprised me was the noise when I recorded with the intern microphone. I never realised before, that it has such a loud hissing. I don't know, if it has a different sensitivity when it is "only" in voice recording mode. What do you think?
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Old Feb 18, 2008, 1:02 PM   #3
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Thanks a lot mosplace!

As I told you the internal mics are terrible compared to theother - especially the soundman. The difference is more precise with voice recording then with music.

One advantage of th cam: no noise from moving parts (tape)is gone by saving 1$ for better internal mics.

With external mics, the second advantage is goneortability








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Old Feb 18, 2008, 1:11 PM   #4
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Yeah, you are right. Never thought that the difference is so extrem. On the recording with the music and video, that I did yesterday, it wasn't that obvious. I was reay suppriesed how "bad" the internal mic is compared to the two other mics.

Well, portability is not realy gone. E.g. the Soundmans are as small as walkman headphones, so that would be no problem. Once you have figured out the best setting for the internel mixer, you don'T have to worry about a thing.

The Sony are pretty small too, but there you would have the problem of fixing them somewhere, so the wont hang around.


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Old Feb 18, 2008, 1:27 PM   #5
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You have already a very good "head microphon". Here's another possibility from Wolfgang Winne.

http://www.ohrwurmaudio.de.

But I don't know if I would need a extra voltage supply ("Expander Box") for theHD 1000.

He also has a very competend HDV-blog. Just "google" for it,it is written in german.

What's the price of your soundman? There is also one "rock"-soundman witch has a bigger signal to noise ratio 53dB.

Did you get your Sony from ebay or a local retailer? Here is abig difference in price.






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Old Feb 18, 2008, 1:36 PM   #6
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I cannot tell you, how much I have paid for the Soundmans, I have them already quite a while.

I think, I you just record normal sound levels than the simpelest version would be enough. I record with mine on Jazzsessions and they do a great job there. If you want to record on Heavy metal or Rockconcerts than the Rock or Studio would probably be better.

I bouth the Sony a short while ago on ebay for a few bucks. I wanted to test them and see, if they are better than my Soundmans, but the aren't

I just checked Wolfgangs site. That's basicly the same way, the soundmans work. I cannot say anything about the quality. You probaby wont need the power supplie box.

You can get these for the Soundman, too. The Soundman A3 is a pretty cool thing. It's small and has some features , but i cannot explain them in English. You have to check the Soundman site for details.
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