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Old Feb 29, 2008, 12:56 AM   #1
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**EDIT - I had to delete the files belowoff my hosting service to make room for my Cancun vacation video. If you want to see those videosthey arehere:

http://forums.steves-digicams.com/fo...mp;forum_id=27

Hi all. After reading someone post a bad review of the HD1000 citing terrible low light performance I figured I'd post some examples of *my* findings & opinions along with videos and camera pics. Hopefully this will help people searching up on the HD1000.

Despite what some have said I'd come to the conclusion that the HD1000 is actually rather impressive in low light compared to my past non-HD DV cameras - some Samsung model that was so bad indoors I returned it, and the Canon Elura 60 which I settled on thereafter. So I personally compared footage from the HD1000 to the Elura 60 and the HD1000 blew it away in low light performance. I didn't capture any footage from the Elura to share but I've done some other comparisons below.

On the video end I am posting links to two clips. One is the HD1000 under my relatively dim 60watt bulbs I use in my house. I prefer them over 100watt bulbs as they're too bright IMO. As a result, shooting indoors at night in my house gives a decent test for indoor/lower light testing. The first video is the HD1000 with full auto settings. The second clip is with the exposure value (EV) adjusted all the way up to +1. 8.I'm posting this comparison simply to point out that those that complain citing horrible low light performance can improve their indoor and low light footage by a good amount if they'd bother to read the manual or ask around on the net. As you'll see, the second clip is not nearly as dark and looks much more natural. Of course, it's not nearly as good in quality as footage taken outside on a sunny day but I'm posting to show the difference in adjusting the EV to compensate indoors.

Here is the first 1080i .mp4 video file with the camera set at full auto:

http://www.onlinefilefolder.com/inde...9a15541d5dfa15


Here is the second 1080i .mp4 video with the EV adjusted all the way up to +1.8:

http://www.onlinefilefolder.com/inde...deed4d049892a7


I also did a comparison of the picture quality between my 2MP Canon A40 that I've loved for many years but am now replacing with the HD1000's functionality. The HD1000 pics are taken at 3.5MP 16:9. The first link is an image showing the differences at a glance between the two with flash and without - pictures are greatly reduced to fit on your screen. The next link is a .ZIP file with all the original size/quality images in it. I've found the HD1000's flash isn't anywhere near as strong as the Canon's but looks quite natural and not as overexposed. Oddly however, some images taken without the flash can appear brighter than those with the flash due to the way the HD1000 compensates when the flash is set to off. All these images are correctly presented (ie. there are no errors in labeling).

Here is the quick view comparison image:

http://www.onlinefilefolder.com/inde...49732dfbf8b4d7

Here is the .ZIP file with the original images used:

http://www.onlinefilefolder.com/inde...35d1acc849a8c7

Here are 3 additional pics (better looking ones) taken in better conditions in a .ZIP file:

http://www.onlinefilefolder.com/inde...f7ef694ddd6f92

I'll admit, the Sanyo wouldn't compare to a Canon at 3.5MP. But, between these two I think the HD1000 does admirably. I think the HD1000 takes much better non-flash pics indoors whereas the Canon takes better looking flash pictures with less noise, but are softer looking. For a video camera that takes pics I'm quite happy with it.

Lastly, these are 4 more videos. The first two are in my backyard at both 1080i and 720p. The next two are in the front of my house again at 1080i and 720p. Please forgive my extreme shakiness when zooming in 10x. It was FREEZING and windy as heck that day and my genius self I went out with only a hoodie on figuring I'd be so quick I'd be fine. Well, I was so cold I was literally shaking and you can still hear how bad the wind is even with the wind noise reduction on. Add to that I had the image stabilization turned off.

Here are the clips:

Backyard 1080i:

http://www.onlinefilefolder.com/inde...34c1119aece442

Backyard 720 60p:

http://www.onlinefilefolder.com/inde...027f942ce21763

Front 1080i:

http://www.onlinefilefolder.com/inde...c1dcc1ee51fa5a

Front 720 60p:

http://www.onlinefilefolder.com/inde...90b30327519218

One final note. If you're monitor is less than 1920x1080 the 1080i files won't look very good as the doward interpolation will accentuate the scan lines. So, if your monitor is 1280x1024 or 1024x768 it will look bad. If you have a hi-def TV and either a PS3 or XBOX 360 you can put the files on a memory stick and play them perfectly fine. For the PS3 you will need to put the videos into a folder called VIDEO for them to show up.

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Old Feb 29, 2008, 8:53 PM   #2
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Hmm, with such a long post and so many links no one has anything (good or bad) to say? :?
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Hey Rev, well i guess you should be pleased in some way or another that you have a reply to your post which just so happens to be my first at Steve's Digicams.

Thanks heaps for the info, i've had my HD 1000 for a week and am much happier with it now that i have learnt how to improve the video quality in low light. :G Since you obviously know what you are doing with the HD 1000 i have a Q re SDHC cards, about how long does it take to download 1gb to your pc through the docking station? Mine seems a little slow, but maybe i am too impatient.

Nice Fosters product placement too. Would you believe that although Fosters is an Australian icon its mainly an export beer and is hardly drunk here.

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Old Mar 6, 2008, 12:48 AM   #4
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Sorry to get back to you late Albot, just got back from Cancun - nice videos soon to follow! It does take some time for the file transfer cause the files are large. I've calculated and I think my files are tranfering over at about 20-25 megabytes per second through my MP3 player which is what I use to transfer from the card to the PC.

As for Fosters... yep, I'm a beer connoisseur so I'm well familiar that Coopers is more what Australians really drink. I've had it and Coopers Vintage before. I actually like Fosters though. The stuff we get in the states is actually brewed in Canada.

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Hi, folks -- I'm new to this forum, a long-time still photographer new to video. I just got the HD1000 because I'm doing work in multimedia and needed a small but good video camera. BUT -- I'm finding out that it seems impossible to edit these MPEG 4 H.264 compressed files in the computer.I haven't been able to find a program that will open them and play/edit the files, or convert them successfully to another workable format.

So, quick question: What are you all using to open/edit/play these files when it's not for your HD TV set, i.e. in your computer? (I'm a PC guy, btw.) And, do you know of any conversion programs that will take the MPEG4 files from the Sanyo and make them MPEG2 or AVI or something I can work with?

Thanks!!!!!!

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Download and install this codec pack but make sure to uncheck the ask toolbar as you don't want to install that crap too:

http://www.download.com/Media-Player...html?tag=lst-1

After installing that you should be able to play the files in any media player such as Windows Media Player. I use the older version called mplayer2.exe as it's better believe it or not. If you're using Windows XP or 2000 you will find it in the Windows Media Player directory.

For editing I'm using Sony Vegas Pro 8. Works wonderfully. I've been able to edit and output to several different formats including rendering back to the original MP4 format all with no problem. I've tried several other softwares but the only one that worked perfectly for me is Vegas.



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Thanks, Rev. That worked -- almost. I can now play the MP4 files from the HD1000, using Windows Media Player and other players -- but they stammer and stutter along. They won't play smoothly in any program.

So here's my dummy question: I'm on a Dell Optiplex, 2gb RAM, 2.53 Ghz Pentium 4. But my Video card is the original 32mb Radeon 7500. I wonder if this computer just isn't capable of playing these files smoothly until I get a better video card.

Anybody out there have thoughts on that, before I jump in and get the new card?

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Hey Lonny,
Hope you are having fun following the steps each of us have troden since we purchased the HD 1000 - this forum really does help a lot. :idea:

On my laptop: 1.66 Duo core, 1gb ram I have trouble gettting 1080i and to a lesser extent the 720p to play smooooth. I just dont think I have the power captain! So considering your PC set up i think that you too are lacking sufficient processing grunt. I actually thought my processor would just be over the line, but nope. SO yeah, start saving for a new cpu.

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Thanks, Albot. Yeah, getting the HD1000 to play on more than my TV is a pain. But I'm really liking the camera, so I'll have to struggle through it. To add to my trials, I'm also learning AVID at the same time, for multimedia work. Sigh.

My guess is that I don't need a new processor or RAM, but a new video card. But I'm not sure. Anybody out there know the answer to this: When there's a processing delay causing stuttering of the HD1000 files on playback, can the video card be at the root of it or does it have to be CPU or RAM deficiency? (Since I've got a 2.4ghz CPU, 2gb RAM, and an old 32mb video card -- I think it's the card. But before I spend bucks on the wrong thing....)

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Hi Lonny. Yeah, I too would have to say your PC just isn't cut out for hi-def video playback, especially with only a 32meg video card.

I would've thought Albot's Core Duo laptop would handle it but then it hit me. Albot, is it a Core Duo or a Core 2 Duo? Core Duo's were terrible in performancehence the release of Core 2's.

I'll say for the record that while I have a QuadCore 6600+ at home I have played 1080i and 720 60p files flawlessly at my work PC which is a Core 2 Duo E6400using the same codec pack and Windows Media Player 6.4 (called mplayer2.exe). Both machines also have 2 gigs of memory. Oh, and my work machine has the built-in Intel Graphics video card with shared system memory.

The only other suggestion I can make to determine if you indeed need an upgrade it to first shut down all non essential processes and see if the video plays ok. In other words, shut down any anti-virus software, spyware protection software, startup apps, etc so that nothing non-essential is loading up. Most people don't know how to tweak their PC's and therefore have tons of crap loading up at Windows start. Fortunately for me I'm an IT technician so my PC's are finely tuned.


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