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The review of the Sony DSC-T1 posted on this site misses
some key issues. I have had the camera for a month, as it has been on sale in Bangkok for quite some time now. I took it on an extensive trip to Cambodia and Laos, and have many poor quality shots from that trip. Many pictures are simply out of focus or blurred, and an important reason is the difficulty of avoiding camera shake because the camera's small size makes it hard to hold still. More importantly, however, there appears to be a serious bug, at least on my unit. It does not appear to be possible to turn off the noise-rediuction when in Program mode and under low-light conditions. So, if you take a picture in auto mode you get a relatively short exposure and no noise reduction. Change to program mode, keeping all factory default settings on the camera (so the shot should be exactly the same) and the exposure is in fact much longer than on auto (leading to blurred indoor shots with low light) and the noise reduction comes into play whether you like it or not -- and I don't, as it actually distorts colors and "lights up" the scene in an unnatural way. It is, of course, possible to get round this by using "auto," but then you can't make the many other adjustments possible with "program" mode. In conclusion: I am disappointed by this camera and would not recommend it. Yes, the test pictures with the review look good, but they are almost all under "easy" conditions. Try to take an action shot, to use the zoom, or to take pictures under low light conditions, and there is a high probability you will get out-of-focus, smudged, or color-distorted pictures. Note that these comments come after intensive use in real-world conditions. --Jonthan Richmond |
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Jonathan,
Is it possible that you were shooting beyond the limited (5 feet!) range of the T1's flash? The T1 does pre-flash metering and adjusts the exposure accordingly, perhaps leaving the shutter open long enough to cause the results you experienced. Carl |
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Carl, no, the shots I referred to were without flash.
I might point out that I have got used to the performance of my four-year old DSC-F55, and I've found that it takes sharper pictures than the T1 in a range of situations. By the way, here is my correspondence with Sony. As you can see, it looks like they have packaged answers to particular keywords, and have not so far addressed my questions Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:09:02 +0700 From: CIC <[email protected]> To: 'Jonathan E. D. Richmond' <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Jonathan E. D. Richmond Dear Sir Thank you for your e-mail regarding Sony Cyber Shot model DSC-T1. As your inquired, we would like to inform more information of Auto mode and Program mode as the below: Still image auto shooting (Auto) When you select to Auto, it means that the Focus, exposure and white balance are automatically adjusted as needs to allow easy shooting. Still image program shooing [ Program] When you select to Program, it means that the necessary adjustments are made automatically like still image auto shooting, but you can also change the focus and other adjustments as desired. We are indeed very appreciative of your valuable comment,. For more information, please contact our Customer Information Center on 0-2715-6100. Yours faithfully Surat Hanmanee Customer Information Center Sony Thai Co., Ltd. -----ข้อความต้นฉบับ----- จาก: Jonathan E. D. Richmond [SMTP:[email protected]] ส่งเมื่อ: 12 มกราคม 2547 11:46 ถึง: Sosin, Enquiry สำเนาถึง: Thailand Sony เรื่อง: RE: T1 Thanks for forwarding the message, but I believe this will have to be referred to Sony HQ in Japan for resolution as I suspect the bug affects all units, not just mine. One other thing -- and I think Sony Thailand can answer this -- was there supposed to be a wrist strap included in the box? There is a place to attach a strap on the camera, but no strap was supplied. Thanks. --Jonathan Richmond ps: The T1 was purchased in Bangkok, although I prefer to buy in Singapore when possible, as prices are much lower! On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Sosin, Enquiry wrote: > Dear Mr. Richmond, > > Thank you for your email to Sony. > > In response to your enquiry, we have forwarded this email to our Sony > Company in Thailand, Sony Thailand. Due to proximity, they would be in a > better position to advice you on the product enquiry. For your > information, the email address is [email protected] > > We apologise for any inconvenience caused. > > Should you need further assistance or clarification, please contact our > Customer Contact Centre at 65448600 pertaining to our products and > services. > > Thank you and best regards. > > Kelvin Yap > Executive Assistant > Customer Contact Centre Department > Customer Interface Marketing Division > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan E. D. Richmond [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:36 PM > To: Sosin, Enquiry > Subject: T1 > > > You helped me with an inquiry last month, so I wonder if you can help me > with another issue... > > I bought a DSC-T1, and it appears to have a production bug. Here is what > happens: If the user wants, it is possible to choose a mode that > brightens > night scenes and corrects for noise. The bug is that on my camera this > mode is selected *at all times* whether wanted or not when "program > mode" > is used. It is not operational when "auto mode" is selected. > > The problem is that "auto" modes does not allow adjustment of any > settings, such as exposure, compression level etc., and it is not > possible > to get the results wanted without the "corrections" erroneously applied > in > program mode. > > The problem is easy to test for. The camera should be at "factory > default" > settings so that the program and auto modes should get the same results. > They don't: program mode is much brighter, with a longer shutter time > for > night shots and resultant likely distortion. > > As I suspect that *all* cameras have the same bug, there seems little > point in returning mine until Sony has decided what to do about it. > Could > you pass on this message to the Sony production people and get a reply > for > me? I would be quite grateful. > > Incidentally, I am hoping to get a DSC-F828 when in Singapore at the end > of this month, although some users are reporting a bug in that model, > with > apparent excessive purple fringing. I saw on one forum that Sony replied > that there had been a problem with some lenses having too much cobalt on > them, and that these would be replaced. I hope that the production units > sold in Singapore won't have this problem. > > Many thanks! > > --Jonathan > > ----- > > Jonathan E. D. 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If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone and destroy the original message. - This mail is sent via Sony Asia Pacific Mail Gateway. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Jonathan E. D. Richmond 02 524-5510 (office) Visiting Fellow Intl.: 662 524-5510 Transportation Engineering program School of Civil Engineering, Room N260B 02 524-6844 (home) Asian Institute of Technology Intl.: 662 524-6844 PO Box 4 Klong Luang, Pathumthani 12120 02 524-5509 (fax) Thailand Intl: 662 524-5509 e-mail: [email protected] Secretary: Ms. Nisarat Hansuksa [email protected] 02 524-6051 Intl: 662 524-6051 http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ |
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Did you ever get a response regarding the question about the lenses on the 828? I too was on the verge of buying one and would be very interested in knowing if there was a gliche that they intended to fix "quietly". Thanks in advance.
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I have posted the only response I received. As you can see,
they did not answer any of my questions. |
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jrichmond,
I own the T1 for a month. According to the manual. Whenever the shutter if 1/6 second or slower, it will automatically enable NR. So it is not a bug but a feature. In DSC-V1, I guess its the same (?) For those who own a V1. When using it at low light and without flash and at Program mode, what's the shutter speed you usually get? In the T1, it's 1 second for ISO 100 and 1/2 second for ISO 400. I plan to sell the T1 and get the V1 but I need to know first its shutter speed and aperture for Program mode for low light and without flash. Quote:
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The strange thing is that NR is not enabled in auto mode,
producing rather better results although with a lack of ability to adjust exposure and other things (the exposure is actually a bit on the low side on auto, and I'd like to put it up 1 EV). A mode that takes a second or even half a second is a waste of time in this model as there is no way to use a tripod and it is impossible to avoid camera shake. |
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Why, that's the shutter speed and aperture in your old
DSC-F55? The T1 is my first digital camera so I can't compare it to what's average and what's not. I wonder what's the default of the DSC-V1 in program mode and without flash, Maybe 1/30 secs, F2.8 at ISO 400? In the T1, it's 1/2 second at F3.5 at ISO 400 average, so blurring is almost a rule. I'm still keeping the T1 for its 640x480 30 fps movie and because I don't know what is the value of the shutter/aperture in other digital cams without flash. |
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I went into Sony in Bangkok today and a: replicated the
problem on my T1 with one of theirs and b: very quickly convinced the rep. I met that there was a bug in the camera, possibly a software bug. The manual does not say that the camera will go into NR in program mode whenever indicated by certain light comditions. It says that NR will only be in effect if you select certain modes such as "twilight." It therefore should not happen in straight program mode unless one of the special settings is selected. I believe that its automatic presence in all conditions of program mode is therefore a bug -- and it certainly has ruined more than enough pictures for me. |
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When you are in Program AE, the shutter speed in low light
is mostly less than 1/6 sec, so NR is always enable. But then, would't the image become worse if there is no NR at 1/6 sec or less at Program AE, the main problem is its poor low light sensitivity. It's Program AE without flash at low light should be at least 1/10 seconds. Maybe Sony calibrate the T1 in very bright laboratory and expecting the shutter to hit below 1/6 second only in twilight, not knowing that in program mode, it's the same. Somone is offering to buy my T1 at about $130 cheaper. So I'll lose that much and maybe get a V1 (which should let me add $150 more). I'm stil deciding. m |
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