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mistwalker1006 Feb 7, 2015 5:59 PM

Alpha 77II
 
I am almost set to get 77II camera, anyone has one and what is your opinion?


Cheers
Greg

TCav Feb 8, 2015 6:21 AM

What do you have now?

What do you want to shoot?

mistwalker1006 Feb 8, 2015 9:47 PM

I have FZ200 which I am very happy with it but I want to open the range a little bit, I shoot mostly my kid and a family but also a scenery, nature, anything which catches my eye while I am out and about

TCav Feb 9, 2015 4:51 AM

The A77 II is a fine camera with lots of possibilities. It uses the same image sensor that Nikon and Pentax use in their 24MP dSLRs, so good image quality is assured.

For indoor/event shooting, the 16-50/2.8 is a good choice for available light, and the 16-80/3.5-4.5 is good if you'll be using a flash. For outdoor shooting, they're both very good, but not very long. You could use a 55-200 or 70-300 for stuff that requires a longer focal length. The 70-300 is better and longer than the 55-200, and better than the 55-300, but it's bigger, heavier and more expensive.

NewsyL Feb 10, 2015 2:08 PM

I shoot the A77 mainly with a long 50-500 Sigma lens. The A77II has a much better AF system for tracking moving subjects and better sensor performance. Still, with my particular screw drive lens, I'm not sure there is enough upside to justify switching to the A77II.

If I was you just starting out I'd get a Tamron 70-300 ISD VC lens for the longer reach and something like the 17-50 f2.8 for close in low light shots. For really long reach for wildlife shooting I'd look to the Tamron 150-600. The Sony SAL1650 and Sony 70-300G are a good lens but I'm not sure they are worth twice the price of the Tamron's. There is said to be an announcement pending for a new Sony 70-300 which will likely push it's price over $1000 CAD.

http://www.photoprice.ca/product/037...ony-price.html

http://www.photoprice.ca/product/031...pha-price.html

http://www.photoprice.ca/product/006...ony-price.html

http://www.photoprice.ca/product/038...2.8-price.html



That will set you back about $2000 by the time you buy new higher speed SD cards, an extra battery, and pay taxes for the A77II.

Why not look into the Panasonic FZ1000 in comparison? $900 at Henrys. Compared to the FZ200 it has a larger sensor for better low light performance and generally much higher quality images. It also has a very fast AF system and 4K video.

mistwalker1006 Feb 10, 2015 9:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewsyL (Post 1386686)
I shoot the A77 mainly with a long 50-500 Sigma lens. The A77II has a much better AF system for tracking moving subjects and better sensor performance. Still, with my particular screw drive lens, I'm not sure there is enough upside to justify switching to the A77II.

If I was you just starting out I'd get a Tamron 70-300 ISD VC lens for the longer reach and something like the 17-50 f2.8 for close in low light shots. For really long reach for wildlife shooting I'd look to the Tamron 150-600. The Sony SAL1650 and Sony 70-300G are a good lens but I'm not sure they are worth twice the price of the Tamron's. There is said to be an announcement pending for a new Sony 70-300 which will likely push it's price over $1000 CAD.

http://www.photoprice.ca/product/037...ony-price.html

http://www.photoprice.ca/product/031...pha-price.html

http://www.photoprice.ca/product/006...ony-price.html

http://www.photoprice.ca/product/038...2.8-price.html



That will set you back about $2000 by the time you buy new higher speed SD cards, an extra battery, and pay taxes for the A77II.

Why not look into the Panasonic FZ1000 in comparison? $900 at Henrys. Compared to the FZ200 it has a larger sensor for better low light performance and generally much higher quality images. It also has a very fast AF system and 4K video.

Hmmm I need to think about it especially if I will
trade my FZ 200.......

TCav Feb 11, 2015 3:59 AM

The lens in the Panasonic FZ200 has a 35mm equivalent focal length of 25-600mm, or a horizontal angle of view of ~3.44. The Sony 70-300mm lens I mentioned, when mounted on an APS-C body like the A77 II, would have a 35mm equivalent focal length of 105-450, or a horizontal angle of view of ~4.58. If you need the extra reach that the 600mm focal length will give you, you can use the Sony 70-400mm which is also excellent, but it's bigger, heavier, and more expensive.

Of course, the Tamron 150-600 and the Sigma 50-500 are bigger and heavier still, and while they are very good lenses, they're not as good as the Sony 70-300 or the Sony 70-400.

When comparing the A77 II to your FZ200, you should consider that the A77 II produces 24MP images that are much lower in image noise and much higher in dynamic range than the 12MP images produced by the FZ200.

mistwalker1006 Feb 11, 2015 5:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCav (Post 1386749)
The lens in the Panasonic FZ200 has a 35mm equivalent focal length of 25-600mm, or a horizontal angle of view of ~3.44. The Sony 70-300mm lens I mentioned, when mounted on an APS-C body like the A77 II, would have a 35mm equivalent focal length of 105-450, or a horizontal angle of view of ~4.58. If you need the extra reach that the 600mm focal length will give you, you can use the Sony 70-400mm which is also excellent, but it's bigger, heavier, and more expensive.

Of course, the Tamron 150-600 and the Sigma 50-500 are bigger and heavier still, and while they are very good lenses, they're not as good as the Sony 70-300 or the Sony 70-400.

When comparing the A77 II to your FZ200, you should consider that the A77 II produces 24MP images that are much lower in image noise and much higher in dynamic range than the 12MP images produced by the FZ200.

when I decided to look at dslr's type camera It wasn't about reach but much about noise reduction I couldn't get the quality of a pic I was satisfied in the lower light, and I was still going to keep FZ 200 when I get Sony A77 just because of the telephoto qualities, now with FZ 1000 on the table I can have only one camera and lower light pictures might be good enough for me to be happy with them, .........:dontknow:need to think about it more :D

TCav Feb 11, 2015 6:33 AM

While the FZ1000 is a big improvement over the FZ200, it's still no match for the A77 II. See DxOMark: Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1000 versus Sony SLT Alpha 77 II versus Panasonic LUMIX DMC-FZ200. (Click on the Measurements Tab, then click on SNR %18 and Dynamic Range.)

vvcarpio Feb 11, 2015 10:44 AM

I just got the A77II and haven't used it yet (just arrived last night) so I'm no help to you for now. But I wanted to say what I thought was cool that I got it.

There's software called Capture One (by PhaseOne) that apparently is really good that it's probably known only within professional circles.

But Sony likely made an arrangement with PhaseOne so the Sony "express" version of Capture One is free. (http://www.phaseone.com/Imaging-Soft...-for-Sony.aspx)

If you want to go pro, the Capture One Pro version which sells for $299 for Nikon, Canon, etc. costs only $30 for the Sony.

What's so cool to me about the pro version is tethering. I can connect the A77II to my Windows laptop via USB and control the camera from it complete with live view. I no longer need to buy an expensive-but-dumb $150 field monitor (like these at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...=field+monitor) but instead with $30 software am able to even control my camera from my bigger screen laptop. That to me alone is worth the difference between A77 and A77II and any other DSLR no matter the brand for that matter.



EDIT: Just in case anyone gets sold by my Capture One Pro argument for the A77II, please note it requires a 64-bit Windows version. I tried installing on my Windows tablet but it wasn't 64-bit so it wouldn't install.

NewsyL Feb 11, 2015 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCav (Post 1386752)
While the FZ1000 is a big improvement over the FZ200, it's still no match for the A77 II. See DxOMark: Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1000 versus Sony SLT Alpha 77 II versus Panasonic LUMIX DMC-FZ200. (Click on the Measurements Tab, then click on SNR %18 and Dynamic Range.)

+1

Considering the OP's most recent post to this point, this may be the priority.

$$ budget is king though.

mistwalker1006 Feb 12, 2015 4:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewsyL (Post 1386773)
+1

Considering the OP's most recent post to this point, this may be the priority.

$$ budget is king though.

true enough that the budget dictate, but I am within my budget to get sony and the lenses and spend $2000 and still be within m budget ( barley) but I am kind of tight wad and I don't really want to max it. I am still considering sony ( $1099 camera and Tamron SP AF17-50mm 345.00) to begin. Now all depends how much trade in will I get for my FZ200 )

TCav Feb 12, 2015 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistwalker1006 (Post 1386815)
... I am still considering sony ( $1099 camera and Tamron SP AF17-50mm 345.00) to begin. ...

Excellent choice. But to round out your kit, the Sony 70-300 'G' might put you over your budget. You could go with the Tamron, which isn't as nice but it's cheaper, or if you don't mind used, there's Minolta's 75-300 "Big Beercan", 100-300 APO, or 100-400 APO.

Furd Feb 13, 2015 3:15 PM

Sony Alpha 77m2
 
I have the a77m2 and it's performance is as advertised, really happy with it.
I wish they had kept the GPS and I have no use for the NFC.
You can remote shoot with a smart phone.
The 70-300 is a little short for BIF, but great at full zoom for those tiny things you can't get too close to.
The beer can is my second choice.
I use the Konica Minolta 17-35 for landscape, much lighter than the Zeiss 24-70, I guess if I were really serious about this stuff I would use it more.
The Minolta lens is also great for wide angle night sky photography.
When the a77m2 is set up properly, what you see, in either the EVF or on the LCD, is what you get, can't get much better than that.
I would suggest sticking with full frame compatible lens, so when you decide to go FF you won't have glass collecting dust.
Al

antony Feb 13, 2015 7:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furd (Post 1386847)
I wish they had kept the GPS and I have no use for the NFC.

+1

Same here.

I am still using Sony GPS-CS1KASP, and have to sync the GPS location in computer. (A bit of pain in my opinion.)

TCav Feb 14, 2015 9:39 AM

Any GPS device intended for hiking, etc., can be used to apply location info to photos.

TCav Feb 14, 2015 9:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furd (Post 1386847)
I would suggest sticking with full frame compatible lens, so when you decide to go FF you won't have glass collecting dust.

'Full Frame' gear is bigger, heavier, and more expensive, and doesn't provide much of an advantage anyway. Noise is only about a stop less, dynamic range is only about a stop more, and depth of field is only about a stop greater, but the size, weight and cost are two to three times as much as for equivalent APS-C gear.

See 'Full Frame' versus 'APS-C' for more info.

mistwalker1006 Feb 14, 2015 9:49 AM

Thank you guys for your help and an excellent advice in helping me decide on my choices, just one more question what's your take on a Sigma lenses in general and SIGMA 70-300MM F4-5.6 SONY AS APO DG MAC in particular.

TCav Feb 14, 2015 10:00 AM

Sigma has some very good lenses, but the 70-300 APO is not among them. There are much better alternatives, like those from Tamron and Sony.

Some major retailers (Adorama, B & H, etc.) have had the good sense to no longer stock some poorly performing lenses, and Sony's 75-300 and Sigma's 70-300 APO are among them.

mistwalker1006 Feb 15, 2015 7:37 AM

Sorry to being such a bother but just one more question which combination would be better as a starter kit for now :
SONY ALPHA A77 II W/DT 18-135 F3.5-5.6 or
SONY ALPHA A77 II W/TAMRON 17-50 F2.8 XR or
SONY ALPHA A77 II W/TAMRON 18-200 3.5-6.3

Since it will be a while since I will be spending some money on more lenses ( not until the summer anyway)

TCav Feb 15, 2015 8:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistwalker1006 (Post 1386894)
Sorry to being such a bother but just one more question which combination would be better as a starter kit for now :
SONY ALPHA A77 II W/DT 18-135 F3.5-5.6 or
SONY ALPHA A77 II W/TAMRON 17-50 F2.8 XR or
SONY ALPHA A77 II W/TAMRON 18-200 3.5-6.3

Without fear of contradiction:

SONY ALPHA A77 II W/TAMRON 17-50 F2.8 XR

The 18-135 and 18-200 are jacks-of-all-trades-and-masters-of-none lenses, and do not stand up well to the scrutiny of a 24MP image sensor.

http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compar...25_734_186_865

mistwalker1006 Feb 15, 2015 9:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCav (Post 1386896)
Without fear of contradiction:

SONY ALPHA A77 II W/TAMRON 17-50 F2.8 XR

The 18-135 and 18-200 are jacks-of-all-trades-and-masters-of-none lenses, and do not stand up well to the scrutiny of a 24MP image sensor.

http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compar...25_734_186_865

Thank you, so this is it then:) all I have to do is to sell my FZ200 and go and pick up my new camera,:jumping-smiley-004:

TCav Feb 15, 2015 6:33 PM

The Tamron 17-50/2.8 is an excellent lens and it won't break the bank, but do you think you might get more use out of the telephoto zoom you were also talking about?

I'm not suggesting that you not get the Tamron; I'm just asking if there isn't something else you might get more use out of while you only have one lens.

mistwalker1006 Feb 15, 2015 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCav (Post 1386913)
The Tamron 17-50/2.8 is an excellent lens and it won't break the bank, but do you think you might get more use out of the telephoto zoom you were also talking about?

I'm not suggesting that you not get the Tamron; I'm just asking if there isn't something else you might get more use out of while you only have one lens.

Yes and no, I do mostly a pictures of my little girl so I think Tamron 17-50/2.8 will do for now, and by the time summer rolls around, then I do more of the outdoorsy stuff ( camping, hiking,boating and fishing) ,I will have time to find a decent telephoto lens that will make me happy with the price and quality of the optics.

mistwalker1006 Feb 21, 2015 7:28 AM

Got my new camera and lenses yesterday, love it so far :)

antony Feb 25, 2015 7:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistwalker1006 (Post 1387094)
Got my new camera and lenses yesterday, love it so far :)

Congratulations, and hope the new gear is to your expectation and satisfaction.

Furd Apr 29, 2015 10:35 PM

Your new A77m2
 
I know this has been posted before on this forum, but I think you will find it very useful.
http://www.sony.net/Products/di/comm...ings_Guide.pdf
Good luck exploring all the possibilities of this camera.
Al

mistwalker1006 May 1, 2015 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furd (Post 1389549)
I know this has been posted before on this forum, but I think you will find it very useful.
http://www.sony.net/Products/di/comm...ings_Guide.pdf
Good luck exploring all the possibilities of this camera.
Al

I did not see that, thank you this is helpful

hkmp50 May 11, 2015 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vvcarpio (Post 1386767)
I just got the A77II and haven't used it yet (just arrived last night) so I'm no help to you for now. But I wanted to say what I thought was cool that I got it.

There's software called Capture One (by PhaseOne) that apparently is really good that it's probably known only within professional circles.

But Sony likely made an arrangement with PhaseOne so the Sony "express" version of Capture One is free. (http://www.phaseone.com/Imaging-Soft...-for-Sony.aspx)

If you want to go pro, the Capture One Pro version which sells for $299 for Nikon, Canon, etc. costs only $30 for the Sony.

What's so cool to me about the pro version is tethering. I can connect the A77II to my Windows laptop via USB and control the camera from it complete with live view. I no longer need to buy an expensive-but-dumb $150 field monitor (like these at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...=field+monitor) but instead with $30 software am able to even control my camera from my bigger screen laptop. That to me alone is worth the difference between A77 and A77II and any other DSLR no matter the brand for that matter.



EDIT: Just in case anyone gets sold by my Capture One Pro argument for the A77II, please note it requires a 64-bit Windows version. I tried installing on my Windows tablet but it wasn't 64-bit so it wouldn't install.


Mr Carpio,

I am wondering if this system is also Macbook Pro comparable as i am also looking for a replacement camera. Can you give a little insight into the interface of you are aware of that. How is that camera working for you now, as you have had it up and going for a while? would you still suggest it's purchase?

vvcarpio May 12, 2015 9:46 AM

Hi, hkmp50.

I tried tethering my A77II on my Mac Mini but couldn't get Capture One Pro's "Live View" to work. Although I can control the camera's shutter speed, ev, etc., I don't see what the camera is seeing on my Mac. The "Live View" option is there under the "Window" menu, but nothing happens when I click it.

Live View works on my 2 Windows laptops -- one Windows 8.1 and one Windows 7. I actually just took my Windows 7.1 laptop (the old Dell Inspiron Duo) for a spin last weekend.

According to Brian Smith's blog, however, the A77II should have Live View tethering:

http://briansmith.com/capture-one-pr...ring-for-sony/

vvcarpio May 12, 2015 9:02 PM

Oops -- correction. It does work!

My MacMini is connected to 2 monitors with the second monitor shared with a Windows desktop. When I tried Capture One Pro's Live View this morning, the second monitor was switched to my Windows desktop. Tonight I tried Capture One again on my Mac Mini this time switching the second monitor to show my Mac's display. The Live View window showed there on the second monitor!

So everything's well.

I would like to add if in case you haven't purchased the A77II, I like it a lot. It's really big on the hands so has that heavy-duty, professional (whatever that means) feel. I do HDR so its wide EV range -- from 3 shots spaced 0.3 EV apart per bracket up to an insane 5 shots spaced 3.0 EV apart per bracket for a total of 12 EV wide! -- is to me indispensable.

Below are samples taken with 5 shot brackets spaced 2 EV apart for a total span of 8 EV (-4 EV, -2 EV, 0, +2 EV, +4 EV = 8 EV wide), processed using Dynamic Photo HDR 6 and Topaz Labs:

http://i62.tinypic.com/14ui4ci.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/2k377n.jpg

(You might be wondering if I really need a span of 8 EV to generate the above HDR images. The answer is I probably didn't. At the time I took these photos, I thought that when I set the A77II to take brackets at 2 EV, the total span was 2 EV. I was wrong. I was pleasantly surprised when I found out later it actually meant each shot was spaced 2EV apart.)

vvcarpio May 12, 2015 9:41 PM

If you're interested in Live View tethering on an Android phone or tablet there's an even cheaper solution -- RCCDroid Pro:

http://rccdroidpro.glensk.com/2014/05/home.html

It works great. I just downloaded the latest version tonight. I can control the shutter speed, ISO, f-stop of my A77II complete with live view on my 10-inch Android Asus TF100T tablet. If I remember right I paid $5 for it.


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