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Old May 26, 2007, 8:23 PM   #21
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Mercurycu,

I TOLD YOU SO ( again ). FANTASTIC NEWS.

Congratulations on the Graduations.

You capturing the special moments with your H9 is great news too!!

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Old May 28, 2007, 2:06 AM   #22
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If you really want a H9, i trully suggest you readthis review'sIQ part.They did their work and it wasn't BS. It may satisfy the needs of many users. however,it's a disappointment in some area.

http://www.megapixel.net/reviews/sony-h9/h9-gen3.php

Do not believe the croped images. Those don't really count.

or let's wait for steve's or dpreview and see what they said.
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Old May 28, 2007, 6:47 AM   #23
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Caddie,

Why would you not believe 100% crops of H9 images?

Are you suggesting they do not represent the truth?

If so, please explain why you feel this way.

May I refer you to my comments about the Megapixel reveiw on Page 1 of this thread.

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Old May 28, 2007, 10:57 AM   #24
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Having bought so many different cameras through the years and read numerous reviews by various reviewers, I say Megapixel.net does an OK job, IMO. Based on those images taken with the H9, I cantell youthat if it was my camera, I'd be returning it the next day. A good album is that one that you put in your CD player and like it right away. If you have to listen to it over and over again to let it "grow on you", thenit's probably not that good. You just don't want to admit it (because you like the artist so much or whatever other reason you may have). To me, cameras fall into the same category. If I have to keep justifying the bad images I get just so I'm happy with the few good ones the camera happens to produce, it's not a good camera. It appears that the H9 falls into this category (unfortunately). When Olympus released the 550 specs, I thought I'd be buying one as soon as it hit the shelves. Well, not so fast, mister. As it turned out, the camera has some serious AF issues at the long range of the zoom. Un-cropped images look aokay butwhen cropped, they loose sharpness (now, that does not happen all the time by the looks of it, but often enough according to the general consensus, to make it a "no go"). Then came the H9 announcement and once again I was hopeful (specially considering how much I love my H1). Although it's too early for me to fully make up my mind against it, I've already seen enough evidence of problems (and design flaws)in many areas. Sure Nickis showingus the camera's capabilities through his many posts here (BTW, thanks for you efforts, Nick). While on vacation once (during the old film days), I ran out of battery on my RicohSLR and could not find a replacement for it. So, I bought a few of those disposable Kodak cameras just so I had something to document my trip. To my disbelieve, some pictures were actually very decent. What I'm trying to say is that even the crappiest cameras can take good photos here and there. The question is, how many bad images does it take before a good one can be saved. I'm not suggesting that one has to take 1000 pictures with the H9 in order to savage 100. But, a camera that produces images with:

- lots of PF/CA

- lack of detail (specially at the long range of the zoom)

- significant barrel distortion (WA)

- obvious pin cushion (tele)

- soft corners

And that has limitations in terms of the amount of compression one can use, among other settings, can not possibly be that great. It may be OK until your subject is located such that one (or more) of these deficiencies will become evident. Then you will feel the pain of missing a good photo opportunity.

So, for now, I'll keep my awesome H1 and hope that Sony will come up with a H9x, which incorporates a larger CCD or at leastfixes forsome of the more serious issues the H9 currently has. It will be very interesting toseethe dpreview review of this camera.
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Old May 28, 2007, 10:10 PM   #25
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Nick, we all understand you like your H9 very much and made alot effort to show us how great this camera is. But like many other forumers said, this camera isn't simply great enough to be 2007 camera, especailly for the IQ part.

In order to compete, Sonygave their H9big zoom, fast foucs+ expousre, unlimited burst mode...etc but then they ended with strong compressed images(see megapixel). That's why H9 ranks very low at IQ both outdoors and flash.

my 1 y/o daughter is turning toddler anytime soon. I want a fast camera like many ppl here. As Tullio said, i too, also wanted to buy H9 from the shelve as theyhitmy localstores. well.. i just don't want toaccept the compromise and wasted my time and the stores' return policy(since i knew it wasn't a great camera already)

I wanted to believe you nick but unfortunately.. sigh!

Ifsonymakes their H9x or somethingwith better(at leastmatch their H5 H2)IQ, i'll be back to business. i don't mind the modified model dropped a bit features such as unlimited burst mode(as long as it's capable of taking10 w/o reducing resol, i'll be happy). The bottom line is, without good IQ, any cool features on a cameraare useless.
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Old May 28, 2007, 11:09 PM   #26
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Hello Tullio and Caddie,

I never asked anyone to believe me about anything EXCEPT to believe the images I posted in my H9 Real Life User's Review came from my H9 as noted.

I clearly stated that if you are a pixel peeper get a DSLR.

After 30 day's use of the H9, with over 3000 images,I can HONESTLY STATE: If you want family memories, vacation memories, graduation memories, life's memories the H9 will provide them for you. My images posted in my H9 Real Life User's Review prove this statement, IMHO.

ANYONE WITH A BABY OR TODLER, WOULD BE MISSING OUT ON GREAT MEMORIES BY NOT TRYING THE H9, ESPECIALLY THE FLIP LCD.

IF YOU PUT YOUR CHILD UP IN TREE BRANCHES THEN YOU WILL GET SOME PF.

My review's purpose was not to 'show how really great the H9 is' as you state.

The purpose of my review is to enable readers to know what they will pull out of the box once they buy, bring home, and start to use the H9, BEFORE THEY BUY AND BRING IT HOME.

I compared the H9 to no other camera. I posted images to enable you to make judgements about the H9. I have no concern how you decide except that you not be mislead by false, over-exaggerated statements about the H9.

Your responses and opinions, different from mine, are a pleasent exchange of ideas which I enjoy immensely. Thank you for the discussion.

In one of my most recent threadsI posted that as a result of my Air Show images and the performance of my H9 during the shoot, that I can no longer be 'Objective' about the H9 because I have come to know just how truly great the H9 is. It has opened new avenues to photograph subjects, from Macros to High Tele. Simply amazing.

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Old May 29, 2007, 6:48 AM   #27
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Ditto on Caddie & Tullio's post, I too thought that the H9 would be a great camera reading the specs and was prepared to upgrade after DPReview, Steve's and , dcresource reviews confirmation, although these particular reviews are still in the pipe line, blind freddy can see this camera has problems.

To me the ideal would have been the H5 updated with the tilting lcd and faster focus, there is a post on STF at DPReview wherea guy with a new Sony W200 & H9 testing both on the same scene has shown the W200 outresolving the H9, granted the W200 has the larger 1/1.7" sensor but also has Bionz.

Nick I thought your airshow shots were average at best, I think you might have had the light against you, have a look at http://www.airliners.net/there are thousands of militry aircraft as well as commercial aircraft, a great site for picking up tips for this specialised type ofphotography.

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Hello Tullio and Caddie,

I never asked anyone to believe me about anything EXCEPT to believe the images I posted in my H9 Real Life User's Review came from my H9 as noted.

I clearly stated that if you are a pixel peeper get a DSLR.


Hi Nick,

I hope you not taking peoples opinions as a personal attack, cause they aren't, I'm glad your enjoying your H9.

As for pixel peepers should get a DSLR, you do realize, that all professional reviewers pixel peep... how else to display what a camera is doing. Just take a look at any review from DPreview, pixel peeping all over the place.As for the H9, it has already been proven (many times over) that there are IQ problems.

Here's a very nice example of the H9's overactive NR (i.e. The Bionz effect): http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=23406288

Oh ya, dcresource has just posted a few images with the H9, the review to follow in a few weeks.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/so.../gallery.shtml

I loveparts of myH9 as well, but I will never, ever buy another camera before it's reviewed, live and learn.

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Old May 29, 2007, 10:20 AM   #29
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Hi All,

Opinions, Opinions,:blah: Opinions, :idea:Thread Responses, :OThread responses, :ak47:Thread Responses!!!!

All of this is simply great. We are enjoying all of this, aren't we?

( P.S.: I do not take anything seriously about photography except the ability to capture a moment. My H9 excels as enabling me to do so ).

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Old May 29, 2007, 10:55 AM   #30
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I took a look at thepictures posted by Jeff at DCRP and I must say...Oh my God!!! They are horrifying! If you look at the full size version of the images, they show some of the worst purple and green fringing I've ever seen. The images lack indetail big time, they are soft, almost as if they were totally out of focus. Only the thumbnails look OK.Jeff must have a bad camera! If not, I can only imagine whathe has to say about image qualityon his review.
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