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Old Aug 15, 2003, 8:57 AM   #1
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Default Sony's Dark Angel F828 Unveiled !!

You've heard the rumours - now read the facts!


http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/f828.html

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Old Aug 15, 2003, 10:15 AM   #2
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The CF flash addition makes all the difference! :lol:

... the manual zoom and focus ring is also a big plus. What's the $ damage?
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Old Aug 15, 2003, 10:59 AM   #3
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> You've heard the rumours - now read the facts!

I take it from the use of this forum that the '828 is not
considered to be an "SLR", but merely a digicam, even
though the viewer is showing you the same frame the
lens is seeing.

Looks like the old 35mm-centric nomenclatures are
breaking down, and I won't even bring up that this
seems to be decent cross-over camcorder as well.

> What's the $ damage?

Preview says $1200.
Sounds attractive, and is bound to cause some price
rumblings amoungst the "real" hi-end SLRs.

But it's all just a conspiracy to sell Sony DVD writers.
Good thing I already bought one
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Old Aug 15, 2003, 2:30 PM   #4
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gee it's a minolta D series built by sony with a kicker 8mp sensor. its about time the joined the real world instead if swimming upstream with the memstick. that little monster has potential.
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Sorry Boundless, the last SLR that Sony made was the D770. A digicam with an EVF is not an SLR. The "R" stands for reflex, as in mirror and today's EVF cameras don't have mirrors in them. They do offer true TTL viewing but it isn't quite the same as an optical view through a nice pentaprism and mirror.

The F828 is a prosumer digicam.

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Old Aug 16, 2003, 5:46 PM   #6
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so it aint a digi SLR, but how close is it comming to that ??


and steve, what kind of gizmo's does the EVF offer, (how clear) can it show the green "[ ]" brackets. ??


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It's definitely one of the best EVFs that I ever used, no problem seeing the AF marks are anything else including manual focus when the screen magnifies as you turn the focus ring. I am sure it will be a very popular camera when it hits the dealer's shelves.

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Steve,

If I am planning to buy a SONY digicam, should I buy the F717 now or wait until the f828 release in store.

IS there any huge difference in picture quality?

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Old Aug 17, 2003, 8:16 AM   #9
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:? Dear Steve


I enjoyed your first look at the new sony prosumer digicam

however I can't help feel that Sony and the other manufacturers are missing the mark.


Megapixels?

As far as I'm concerned it's time that more important issues are addressed before I make the move to my fourth digital camera.


1/ Image Stabilization

Sony and other manufacturers offer this as standard on even thier cheaper DV cameras why are they so slow to offer this on Digital Still cameras? Any ideas Steve?


2/ EVF performance.

Slow and sluggish refresh rates make following anything approaching fast action photographs eg (family sports) a hit and miss affair. We miss a lot of good photo opportunities. This probably explains the shortage of good action shots in your "Photo of the Day" competition.

Would it be possible to publish some timings on EVF refresh rates or at least give your own personal rating? This would provide a guide to consumers and manufacturers.


3/ ISO settings.

Improved low light performance. Usable at 800 or even 1600.

We need better low light/low noise performance. Available light photography is often all we can use eg Weddings and Christenings in dimly lit Churches where flash is intrusive or not allowed. Oops more lost photo opportunities.


I don't wish to sound like a whinger but if you don't get the shot because of one or more of the issues I raise above two megapixels or eight won't make any difference.


What do you think Steve ? As always your thoughts are appreciated. Any one else have an oppinion?

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Hi,

I just bought a Canon 10D and sold a SONY CD1000 2.1 Mp camera. I have played with photography for 30 yrs now. Lots of Olympus Om1, 2 etc...B/W, darkroom, cibachrome etc...

Got out of it 10-12 yrs back and watched the digital stuff take root and blossom....very interesting.

The new SONY is a very interesting camera.

I would want to know how the looks edge to edge at its extremes. How will it compare to my 10D with a L lens??

Will I see the difference in a 4x6 print? A 5x7 print and so on and so forth.

As a techie, computer nut, and camera nut, all this stuff is really neat, having ONE camera and lens combination for ALL types of photo ops is the ultimate dream of many of us.

How well does this camera fit in this area???


My 10D is an awesome piece of technology so is the 1DS!!

When the camera 'chip' or sensor has the ability to out 'resolve' the lens, like a 1DS this is awesome....

I cant wait for a full size 35mm sensor based camera the meets this! (that I can afford).

Dont think this SONY is that (yet), maybe a few more turns of the technology crank.

I hope to see the detailed reviews as to what the lens can do on this one, and what the prints look like etc...

I always like the ability to interchange lens, this aint the camera...but it would make a real nice camera for my wife (and of course a new toy for me to play with!).

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