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Old Jan 23, 2004, 9:38 AM   #21
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Regarding Declan's "a good photographer does not blame his tools," there isn't much you can do if the tools simply aren't up to the job! Look what CNET Asia said.
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Old Jan 23, 2004, 9:39 AM   #22
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ps: Declan, could you please post some high-quality
nighttime shots you have taken with the T1?
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Old Jan 23, 2004, 11:53 AM   #23
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Bubba, you have much expectations for the T1, you think you can achieve better result with the DCS-77? Well may be, if you try to understand more about the basic of exposure, available light and taking in picture in low light, techniques, especially handheld.

As I take a look of your pictures, I actually like the effects of the blur motion any way even though it doesn't look favorable, but it will look a lot better if you put that camera on tripod, you may not eliminate the effects with any other camera unless you have complete control the lighting which give you a favorable exposure with shutter speed faster than 1/250. Shooting with flash may help to freeze up the action since the flash duration is up to 1/10,000, but it will kill all the beauty of the available lights. Your best bet is to shoot with flash with slow synchro speed and hope the flash duration will reduce the blur motion if that what you intend to shoot for, to me, those blur motion is the beauty of the pictures.

About the noise, I assume you set the ISO setting on auto, for low light the camera selects higher ISO setting automatically and introduces noise, same as film camera when set at higher ISO, will produce grainy picture (depending on your concept, some professioner photographer do promote and look at grainy picture in high ISO shooting as an art form and I do like it too). Manually set ISO for your camera a lower setting, like ISO 100, use tripod, shoot still subject, you will achieve better results. For subject in motion, well as I mentioned above, there are several ways to reduce the effect, faster lens can also help at certain degree.

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Old Jan 23, 2004, 4:02 PM   #24
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Dude, I happen to think the pictures look great. If you don't like the camera, why don't you sell it on Ebay instead of expending all your energy whinning about it. You'll probably get more than you paid for it. I bet you're one of the trolls banned from the dpreview site.
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Old Jan 23, 2004, 10:32 PM   #25
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I don't have a T1 (and I never claimed I did), but I can, and have, taken some pretty crappy shots with my Fuji S2. But you don't hear me whining about what a terrible camera it is because of my bad technique.

I saw and handled the T1 in the Emporium and Fortune Town mall in early November. I like the camera somewhat, but maybe not enough to buy it. My main complaint was the lack of an optical viewfinder (LCD's just draw too much power).

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Old Jan 24, 2004, 4:10 AM   #26
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I think a lot depends on how you use the camera. Yes the T1 is no V1 by any means, but its capable of producing really nice images despite some limitation of shutter speed and noise.

The following is a copy of what I posted on the dpreview forum:

I think even though the lens is slower, it is capable of taking decent night shots (for its size). The weight (slightly heavy) IMO helps with keeping it steady, though that also depends on steadiness of photographer. The 'CITY CHOP' picture was a 0.5 second exposure and it came out better than I expected to be, and the Baja Fresh shot was 1/6 second and that came out well.

I do hate how narrow the base is and thus very unstable so you have to find a perfectly flat spot for timer shots (I hope someone comes out with a tripodish stand for the T1). Also, my biggest complaint of the night shots is how horribly noisy the skies are. Its strange because even dark shadow areas aren't as bad as the dark blue skies... oh well.


DSC00285 - on flat surface, timer shot
Full resolution at http://users.design.ucla.edu/~zai/junky/T1/DSC00285.JPG




DSC00286 - on flat surface, timer shot
Full resolution at http://users.design.ucla.edu/~zai/junky/T1/DSC00286.JPG





DSC00287 - on unstable flat surface, used hand to stabilize (semi-handheld)
Full resolution at http://users.design.ucla.edu/~zai/junky/T1/DSC00287.JPG





DSC00289 - on unstable flat surface, used hand to stabilize (semi-handheld)
Full resolution at http://users.design.ucla.edu/~zai/junky/T1/DSC00289.JPG





DSC00292 - completely hand held
Full resolution at http://users.design.ucla.edu/~zai/junky/T1/DSC00292.JPG





DSC00294 - completely hand held
Full resolution at http://users.design.ucla.edu/~zai/junky/T1/DSC00294.JPG





DSC00295 - on flat surface, timer shot
Full resolution at http://users.design.ucla.edu/~zai/junky/T1/DSC00295.JPG





DSC00297 - on unstable flat surface, used hand to stabilize (semi-handheld)
Full resolution at http://users.design.ucla.edu/~zai/junky/T1/DSC00297.JPG
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Old Jan 24, 2004, 2:39 PM   #27
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Cool pics of the Westwood area. Where did you get your camera?
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Old Jan 24, 2004, 3:10 PM   #28
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I got it over Christmas back home in Hong Kong.
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Old Jan 24, 2004, 5:41 PM   #29
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In real world. One usually holds it as it's not convenient
to find a flat surface like putting it on top of any park
car and taking pictures by setting timer. One may
even mistaken you putting a bomb on the car. The best
to do in taking fast street shot is to set the ISO high
which would make the shutter faster. Now I think the
experiences of Richmond is so because his F55 doesn't
report the ISO setting (nor in the manual). It's possible
that the F55 has an ISO of 400 or so. This can explain
how the pics in the F55 is usually sharper.. because there
is less blur. Richmond can get it out of the pocket, take
a fast shot of the street and see a sharp image when
downloaded to computers. There is only one way this
can occur. The shutter is faster than 0.5 second. Now is
the faster F2.8 lens of the F55 what matters. But in F2.8
the shutter speed can only become faster by less than
twice, so instead of 1/2 seconds... it's going to be 1/3.5
seconds and this is not enough to remove the blur. But
if the ISO is increased, the shutter can become as fast
as 1/30 seconds (which is enough to remove the blurs).
So it appears Richmond has been taking pictures with
mostly high ISO automatically and when he got his T1
and setting it for ISO 100, he got blurred picture because
of the slower shutter. And setting the T1 would produce
such bad quality that one doesn't do it in the real world.

It is reported many times that 2 megapixels can usually
tolerate higher ISO with cleaner image. If anyone has
a low light night shot taken using the V1. Pls. share it.
I read that this model has the cleanest ISO of all.
I'd like to see how the noises in ISO 400 compared to
ISO 100 (in the V1). Note that in the T1. ISO 400 would
produce such a poor picture owing to the greater
amplication factor of the pixel sensor of the T1 because
it's smaller.

I wonder how the F77 would perform. I prefer this as one
can put it inside the pocket. The V1 is big and you can't
put it inside the pocket. But if the V1 is the only model
in the world with clean higher ISO that you can put in
the pocket. Then it's worth a deal. The sensor pixel size
of the F77 is bigger than the V1 but smaller than the
F55. So I wonder how well the F77 performs at higher
ISO. If size is not the problem, the best would be to
get the Canon 300D where its bigger pixel sensor
size can produce cleaner higher ISO, good enough for
taking faster shot with 1/30 second shutter speed for
blur free shots. But one can't take a picture using this
in the public without arousing many irritated eyes
especially those who don't like to be taken (which
can even put you in trouble).

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Old Jan 24, 2004, 10:52 PM   #30
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Wonderful shots! Richmond, Please comment.
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