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Old Jan 28, 2004, 5:33 PM   #41
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The DSC-F717 has the same specs as the Pana LC1.
F2.0 and 2/3" size CCD. The thing is the 2/3" size CCD
of both. 5 Megapixel needs it. Unfortunately, most 5mp
digicams use the 1/1.8" CCD which can't be pushed to
above 100 ISO without much noise. I wanted the
V1 as it is smaller. But with just $200 more. I can get
the F717. But then, with another $200 more. I can
get the Canon 300D. So I'm deciding which to get.
Also on February 12, there is gonna be some kind
of conference in which all digicam manufacturers
would release their newest models including I heard
a pocket size 8 megapixel digicam (like the T1) as well
as V2 (successor to the V1). So I guess I'll wait before
purchasing. I didn't do research before buying the T1
and I lost $120 selling it lower to another person. You
can also sell your T1. About the 8 megapixel pocketsize,
if it's CCD would be small (which it likely will). Then it's
going to be much worse than T1 because more noise
would be apparent since it is a rule that higher density
sensor with more pixels crammed in small spaces are
guaranteed to produce a lot of noises. This means you
can't increase the ISO and make the shutter faster to
prevent blur. I wonder if there is a 5 megapixel 2/3"
sensor based digicam smaller than the sony F717 and
pana LC1 (as these two appear bulkier).

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Old Jan 29, 2004, 1:45 AM   #42
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Hello!

We purchased a Sony V1 over Christmas as my fiancee's big gift. I'd be happy to borrow it from her and snap some shots on campus, however I'm admittedly a complete newbie at photography in any form.

I have run into the same problem described with the movement, even on the auto setting. Previously, I've used the Sony DSC-70 for two or three years with awesome results and no such motion blurring problems.

Please let me know exactly what to change the camera settings to and I'll snap some shots of campus at night when I get some time then share with all interested.

If you'd like to email me, please feel free to contact me at [email protected]. I'm eager to learn from anyone willing to teach..
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Old Jan 29, 2004, 1:49 AM   #43
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I wanted to try to describe the problem better by adding that the motion blurring from even the smallest hand shaking is noticeable on the LCD as well. At one point, I had resolved the problem by simply adjusting settings that I had no clue what they did. Again, the LCD was "smoother"...more real time you might call it and the images were captured accordingly.

Again, if anyone would like to walk me through to where I need to be, I'd be happy to be a guinea pig.
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Old Jan 29, 2004, 2:40 AM   #44
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I didn't see any DSC-70 in the Steves-Reviews. Are you
referring to the DSC-S70? Looking at the specs, it may
beat the F55 in low light fast action shots. It has F2.0, 3.3megapixel, 1/1.8" sensor size. This means at higher
ISO (faster shutter), this should produce cleaner image.

About the V1. Try to adjust the ISO to 200 or 400 to
take fast action shot but note the image will be noisy.

Can you give an example of low light fast moving
shots taken by the DSC-S70? Just like the F55. I think
it has auto ISO that can go high automatically giving
you blur free image. But the question is, is it clear
and sharp and noise-free?

I read that as a rule, the lower the megapixel at a
given sensor size, the cleaner is the image it can
produce compared to a higher megapixel model.

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Old Jan 30, 2004, 12:07 AM   #45
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Your assumption was correct, it was the DSC-S70 that we had previously. I've since given it to my brother but I'll attempt to take the same shot with both cameras on automatic ISO setting seeing as how I don't remember an option to change the ISO on the S70.

The motion blurring effect we're getting with the V1 is in any light, high or low, flash on or off. The other main differences that I can see (being an utter novice) are the strobe flash on the V1 vs. the normal flash on the S70 and that, even with red-eye reduction on, we still get tons of red-eye problems in all lighting conditions.
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Old Jan 30, 2004, 12:52 AM   #46
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If you set it to flash, the shutter will automatically get
to at least 1/40 sec which shouldn't produce blur. Either
you are trying to take a shot of the superhero Flash or
the V1 may be defective.

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Old Feb 2, 2004, 2:47 PM   #47
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Just to add that I went back to the shopping mall with my
old F55. The F55 pictures had a lot more noise, but they were clear and sharp: the camera can freeze action even with low light in a way tht is impossible with the T1...
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Old Feb 2, 2004, 8:04 PM   #48
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I will received my F55 later today after being stuck in customs.

You said your friend Exilim Z4 took 1/40 seconds, F2.6
while yours is 1/8 sec, F3.5 (and still blurred) while taking
picture of the same scene. I'd like
to know what is the ISO of your friend Exilim. Is it
100 or 400?? How about yours? If your friend ISO is
400 while yours is 100. It makes sense. Increasing
ISO is the only way to make the shutter become faster.

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Old Feb 3, 2004, 2:50 AM   #49
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jrichmond:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE then, post the pictures you just took with the F55!!!!

It simply isn't fair to conduct this thread talking about the F55 capabilities in contrast to the T1 (which I WAS considering buying...still am considering but very cautious now).

If you've been to the same site and thus have direct comparison photos between T1 and F55 please show us!!!

Your other F55 shot at night looks fantastic but it's no way to compare because of the lack of motion.

Again, could you please post the F55 mall shots?!

Thanks!
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Old Feb 3, 2004, 11:28 PM   #50
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http://www.angelfire.com/alt2/sonyph...kitchenf55.JPG

http://www.angelfire.com/alt2/sonyphotos0/kitchent1.JPG


Finally I received the second hand F55 I got from Ebay two
weeks ago after Jrichmond kept saying how it beat the T1
at most conditions. The above are sample shots of it
compared to the T1. The first is from the F55. The second
one is from the T1. Since I don't have the T1 anymore.
I can't do same time comparison. However, both are taken
at noontime with all windows open and the sun indirectly illuminating the kitchen and no flash. You can see that the
F55 is sharper (as Jrichmond stated). When I took the F55
shot, my hand is even moving and there is no blur. However,
with the T1, even though I hold it so steady with effort.
The shot is blurred from its slow 1/5 sec explosure. Their
colors are not similar. I don't know which is underexposure
and which is overexposure. What do you think?
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