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Old Jan 22, 2009, 9:03 AM   #1
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Is anyone else frustrated that there are hardly any comments in the threads? I see threads with 500 views and 3-4 comments. This has bothered me for some time now and was part of the reason I took a hiatus from this place. EverythingI know about shooting sports came from this site and 2 of the mods in particular. Their instructionalong the way was instrumental in my development.Most, if not all of us, are interested in getting better at this and one of the ways this will happen is if people critique the photos posted. Ive had occasions where my feelings were hurt bywhat I considered "nitpicky" comments/critiques but afterthinking things through,Irealized thatits the little things that make a good photographer into a great photographer, soI swallowed my pride and took it in stride.In each comment,I'll try to point out the good things about a shot and something that I think needs improvement. There isnt anyone here with the perfect photo, time and time again...some of you DO come close though! Theres alot to be learned not by only the perfect photos but by the less than perfect photos too. Often times, the conversation centered around a particular thought regarding a photo canmorphin a tangential topic or direction where new information can be learned. The only way that can happen however, is if participation takes place. PerhapsI have too much time on my hands. LOL
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Old Jan 22, 2009, 11:04 AM   #2
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Here are my thoughts, in no particular order:

1. If you look at all the forums here you'll see participation is in a wane - even in Pentax and Oly forums which have traditionally been extremely active.

2. This site has always had very few sports photographers on it. Certainly fewer who spend a good amount of their hobby time on sports. This as compared to DPReview or Fred Miranda.

3. Me. As you know I tend to be critical. My goal is to critique in the true sense - point out what is good as well as what is bad. IMO there are plenty of mutual admiration society types of places - facebook, myspace, photo sharing sites if all you want to do is share photos without the 'photography' part of it. But if you're going to post photos on a photography forum - especially a genre specific forum - sports, wildlife, people etc - I think it should be more about learning than just telling each other every shot is great. I know some people aren't interested in that. Some people just want to share photos for the joy of it and aren't interested in any constructive criticism - i.e. their interest in posting is not to improve their photography. So I think members of Steve's who may dabble in sports shooting just don't want to subject themselves to critique. They just want to be able to take the occasional sports photo, knowing it isn't perfect and not have to be told what's wrong with it. As any of us who do a lot of this know, sports shooting isn't easy. So it's very difficult for the occasional sports shooter to get good results (as compared to other sports shooters). They get results that are good enough for them and don't want to invest either in the equipment necessary to get better shots or the time necessary to improve their technique. Given this I think you find some very good people on this forum tend to keep their photo posts in gear sections rather than genre sections because there is less constructive criticism there. I don't see that as a problem - that's their choice and I respect it. But I think that's the reason they post there and not here.

4. For me personally I rarely like to just post "good shot" comments. Either the shot is great - in which case I like to say so, or I'll post what I like and don't like. But in that case I don't tend to post on subjects I'm not terribly interested in - example: cars, motocross, etc. Those subjects aren't of interest to me and I don't have experience shooting them. So there's not much in the way of constructive feedback I can provide. Because the subject doesn't interest me, there's not many "wow, awesome shot" reactions from me. Because I don't have experience I can't offer advice on how to improve. I think a lot of people here are the same way. If you look back, we have a number of shooters that specialize in a particular type of sport. So, they may not have the interest in other sports or just not the exerience to comment. Few members here shoot a wide variety of sports.

5. Mark switched to weddingns :blah:. Seriously I don't blame him though. If you're looking to make money off the hobby, wedding work is a LOT more profitable than sports work.

I agree, it would be nice to get more sports shooters here.
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Old Jan 22, 2009, 12:06 PM   #3
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Okay. Here I go.

I am one of those who is viewing but has never posted.

Have been using a point and shoot Canon S3 IS for several years and decided I wanted some decent photos of the kids playing basketball this winter.

So in October I purchased a Canon XSi with kit lens and a Sigma zoom and played around a little with soccer.

Basketball season came around and pictures were too dark.

Through search engines I came across this site and a few others and have been blown away by the photos I've seen from JohnG, Frisky, jschoenr, and many others.

Through more research I am now the owner of canon 85mm f/1.8 and 50mm f/1.4.

I am just starting to get some decent pictures and have thought about posting just haven't done so yet.

Both you guys are correct that I am looking a lot. Practically everyday and am afraid of being told I stink.

But I must say this is a great site and I love coming here to see what's new.

Now if I can figure out how to post a picture I may give it a try.

I know this may be bad (having links to other sites) but If you want to see some of my recent shots check out


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Old Jan 22, 2009, 12:26 PM   #4
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Well said, both of you. One thing that you will def find in here, griffin,is that noone will say a shot sucks. Instead, youll get advice on how to improve it, so dont be afraid to post. Trust me, I know because when I started, my shots SUCKED! John, you broughtup a good point. Just because someone posts a pic doesnt mean he wants advice.I assumed that to be the casewith this site. My apologies to anyone if I offered up unwanted advice at any time.Ive learned a ton here and wish to pass it on that knowledge. I rarely stray from the Sports forumbut plan to change that.
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