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Normcar Feb 18, 2005 10:12 PM

Here are a few more shots taken the other night without flash. All taken at high ISO with Mark II and either 200/1.8 or 135/2. Some minor post processing and light croppingwas necessary. I like to get expressions and tight cropping is often a decision I've made in order to achieve this purpose:

One

http://www.brrd.ab.ca/nnorway/carrwe...2/feb17024.jpg

Two

http://www.brrd.ab.ca/nnorway/carrwe...2/feb17028.jpg

Three

http://www.brrd.ab.ca/nnorway/carrwe...2/feb17102.jpg

Four

http://www.brrd.ab.ca/nnorway/carrwe...2/feb17147.jpg


Five


http://www.brrd.ab.ca/nnorway/carrwe.../feb17190x.jpg



[email protected] Feb 19, 2005 6:02 PM

Norm,



Awesome shots!

Camera quality really shines through!

Little suggestion. On the wider angle shots, try not to cut off the hands or feet.

Again, stunning photos.

Terry



Normcar Feb 20, 2005 1:18 AM

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On the wider angle shots, try not to cut off the hands or feet.
Thanks Terry, I'm slightly out of practice this year with the bball. Last year at this time I had a pile of games under my belt. This is the first time this year; it seems that the birds have taken over, and even they are few and far between up north here. Maybe I'm just lazy this year. :roll:

Cheers

jimbojetset Feb 20, 2005 7:56 AM

Great shots Normcar, must be great to be able to get shots like this indoors with poor lighting... that sounds like a nice camera lens set up you've got there :-)

Just out of interest, what ISO's are these at ? 1250 ? 1600 ? I do envy the low noise performance of the top end canon's compared my D70

Mr_Saginaw Feb 20, 2005 8:11 AM

Nice shots! They look great! Like the tight shots! The lighting and color looks good too! :cool:

bugshutter Feb 20, 2005 10:55 AM

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jimbojet, the key might be the fast lens. I believe th gym I shoot basketball games in must owe a gas and electric bill the light be so dim. This shot was taken at 1600 ISO, with minimum noise reduction. I shot it with the D70 and a wide open 50mm1.4. Im sure Normcars lack of noise can be atrrtibuted to the fast lens he used.

darlenerenee Feb 21, 2005 9:48 AM

:!:I don't know much about photography but i'm going to learn one day. i love to take pics, especiallyof my daughter playing basketball. one graduated last year and my youngest is mostly riding varsitypine :-)this year (8th grader) so i have several months to learn. i'm going to take a class. i hope i can do it. i have learned some from you guys.btw, what kind of camera do you have?

Having said all that what i really wanted to say was....................

WOW!!

bugshutter Feb 21, 2005 12:43 PM

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Well darlene, my weapon of choice was the Nikon D70 dslr:D. This camera can cover the entry level student of photography to a professional thats been around for ages. Its an excellent choice for sports, especially inside basketball. That being said, I found from experience it is also best to have the fastest lens you can get. The fastest lens you can get that will cover your inexperience of shooting indoor basketball would be a 50mm 1-8 which can be purchased for less then a $100. You cant go wrong with that lens.

This camera will give you a very high ISO of 1600, which will allow you to shoot in dim light situations without reverting to flash, which sometimes is not allowed during games. Whenever I post a picture it was shot at 1600 ISO, with a noise reduction, unless I specify it was flash phototography. I find that the noise is not bad, because the noise reduction does not make the picture look phony.

Like I said the Nikon D70 was my dslr of choice, but there are comparable dslr of different brands and prices. As far as shooting indoors I think a priority should be a high ISO. I found ISO 1600 a pretty exceptable sensitivity because of the very good noise reduction softwares available.

Heres a photo shot at ISO 1600, that was cleanup with Noiseware software. But I also was allowed to shoot at a shutterspeed of 320 with a 50mm 1.8 lens, which pretty much stopped the action. I think this is a pretty good shot taken with a lens costing less then a $100.

darlenerenee Feb 21, 2005 1:32 PM

The color on that pic is very nice. i have a minolta z1 that i used to take pics to make a scrapbook for my daughter that graduated. i got a few decent pics but not alot. i think the highest iso on it is 400. i would like to get a better camera but know that i need to learn to use it or i am wasting money. i liked the d70 just looking at some of the pics on this site. i am hoping to take a class somewhere. it all sounds soooo complicated!!! but if the d70 would let me start as a novice and hopefully:?learn more it sounds like it might be for me.

normcar also has some excellent pics. do you know what kind of camera he has?

thanks so much for the info. wish i could take some good pics tonight at our playoff game, but maybe by next year's playoff games!

[email protected] Feb 21, 2005 1:32 PM

Bugshutter,

Not too shabby an image with that Nikon D70.

I find the 20D's ISO3200 a nice option. I'm using a 50mm F1.4 lens which gives me about two extra stops to play with in low light situations like gyms and indoor track facilities.

I agree, a 50mm F1.4 or F1.8 lens is a great option for low light indoor photography.



-- Terry



Normcar Feb 21, 2005 2:09 PM

Thanks for looking all, and I appreciate the nice words. I haven't been shooting sports much lately but this week I'll probably be doing a few more basketball games, which will help me get back into shape a bit.

Darlene, I'm using a Mark II Canon but I also use a Rebel which works just as well at lower ISO speeds. I find that the majorconsideration for this type of shootingis the lens, and if I personally had a choice between a $5000 camera body and a slowerlens or a $1200 camera body and a good fast 85/1.8, 50/1.4 or 1.8lens, I'd take the latter combo any day for indoor sports.

A program called NEAT IMAGE will also help tone down high ISO photos but needs to be used sparingly as it can tend to plasticize a photograph if overdone.

Cheers

darlenerenee Feb 21, 2005 4:26 PM

Ahhhhh! Those fantastic fotos were taken with the $5000.00 dollar camera! Ok, so your other camera is a rebel. would you recommend the rebel or the D70 for the indoor basketball?

thanks a bunch!

Normcar Feb 21, 2005 5:58 PM

Darlene, if I were buying cameras right now and wanted the best value for the money I'd probably go for the 20D because of it's advertised ability to handle higher ISO and it's 5 fps burst. However, and this is a big however, I'm unfamiliar with NiKon cameras or lenses. So I couldn't recommend one over the other.

Thanks a for looking at the photos and I really appreciate the comments. Good luck finding that camera; I know it's tough making decisions on cameras and lenses and I certainly wish you all the best.

Cheers

bugshutter Feb 21, 2005 6:00 PM

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This is the photo I tried to display early. What I forgot to do was resize it. That is why it never finished downloading, and it looks like I tried to blowup a digital photo that didnt have the pixation to cover.

darlenerenee Feb 21, 2005 6:02 PM

ok. thanks! my purchase is at least a couple of months off so i will check into these and read, etc. thanks for the input. again, your photos are awesome.


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