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Old Dec 14, 2008, 7:54 PM   #1
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I live in Western Australia. I wanted to take photos of the central railway station and was told no by a security guy.

So I asked for the officail position. It got worse and worse.

Firstly I could take shots inside the station for private purposes and not for commercial gain.

Can I post to a website (public photo forum)?
No

If I take the shot from outside the station can I post?
No

Even if I stand across the road can I post the shot?
No

So if I take a picture of a street scene and _any part_ of a station is in the shot, can I post?
No

Thats' rubbish! ...what about google?
Google are linked to us through some or other thingy. You cannot post any image of Railway property in any form.

This is madness! I mean apart from trying to enforce it, it's sheer madness! Theoretically they could sue me (I really believe they would have a hard (impossible) time actually getting me on criminal grounds).

The annoying thing is that there is no basis, and there _does not have to be_ if they make it a civil matter. They don't even have to win. They could just crush me.

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Old Dec 14, 2008, 11:37 PM   #2
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These edicts were probably handed down by an agency similar to America's Homeland Security.

They may be afraid that if terrorists see pictures of the station it would help them devise more effective strategies for sabotage or other nefarious activities.

Of course, any terrorist worth the name, if they wanted pictures, would just take them themselves with a long telephoto lens or rig a video camera in a suitcase and walk around the place until the tape ran out.

I think that your railway officials -- just like their counterparts in every other country -- know that they can't really do much against the threat of terrorism. Making petty, dumb little rules gives them (and more importantly, the public) the illusion that they are on top of the situation and doing their duties. :?

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Old Dec 14, 2008, 11:56 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply, Grant. I think you are right. I remembered after I had posted that I once saw a Customs guy take an orange off a 5-6 year old girl at the boat harbour (few years ago now), and she burst into tears.....and still we get exotic pests.


Ironically, while I was there, I saw a guy with a little camera....taking pictures of where I was sitting! :lol:

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Ironically, while I was there, I saw a guy with a little camera....taking pictures of where I was sitting!
Obviously, your problem started when you asked permission.
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Ironically, while I was there, I saw a guy with a little camera....taking pictures of where I was sitting!
Obviously, your problem started when you asked permission.
Yes :sad:. I realised that after I started to follow it up. Now I _know_ I am not supposed to do it....oh well wiat a couple of moths and forget.:idea:

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It probably depends on the country. I recently visited Italy and took pictures and video clips in the Bologna, Florence and Rome train stations and also inside the trains and nobody told me that I could not do so. There were security guards and surveillance cameras everywhere and I was never approached by anyone about this. I even stayed for a while in the platform at the Florence station to take a video of a train departing.

I also agree that it all started by you asking perrmission first. :-)
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Old Jan 10, 2009, 4:51 PM   #7
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If you think you have it bad, you have another thing coming. We feel so hard done by and oppressed that we can't take the picture we want, after all it's a free country. Well it still is and I'm happy I am here even if I am inconvenienced by a few rules every now and again.
I was in Beijing two years ago and was shopping with my wife at the "Silk Market" I had my trusty Video camera with me and when I saw this menacing looking soldier standing off to my left with a machine gun the belt over his shoulder and both hands on the weapon. I thought this was a shot worth getting so, I thought I would be very subtle and shoot video of the market and slowly pan around and sort of accidentally sort of capture this fellow on film. Oh won't the people back home be suprised, well I'm panning away and I'm about ten feet away from shooting (or should I say...filming) this fellow and I hear yelling from what sounds like his vicinity. I look up from the viewfinder and he is pointing the weapon at me and yelling in Chinese at me, then waves the machine gun back and forth as if to say "Don't even think about it." I was amazed by the amount of Secret Police, and Soldiers that were evertwhere watching everything. We didn't stay long after that.
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I live in Perth. Thanks for the info. I forgot to ask permission when I photographed Esplanade station and another. Very remiss of me. I must have been too focussed on testing my Sigma 10-20 and and enjoying the wide angle view.

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If I take the shot from outside the station can I post?
No

Even if I stand across the road can I post the shot?
No

So if I take a picture of a street scene and _any part_ of a station is in the shot, can I post?
No
I once had a conversation with a police friend (AFP), you can pretty much take photos on anything in public place, unless there are special orders that photos/recordings are not allowed.

To avoid security guard coming after you regarding photo taking, use a point and shoot camera, preferably one that has manual control.
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My wife credits an old boss of hers with saying "It is easier to get forgiveness than permission." I am pretty sure it wasn't original, but it is useful.

Security may well have been the issue, but it is silly, and although Australian law may differ, I suspect that it would be very similar to US law which basically states that anything in public view can be photographed for private use. When photographs are sold, laws regarding intellectual property (copyrights for items shown within the photograph, for example) start to kick in.

Regarding the security issues, I have to relate the experience of my daughter when she traveled to Austria for a college semester abroad. She flew from Orlando to New York to Munich to Vienna, then took a bus to Innsbruck, all with a can of pepper spray in full view, dangling by a clip from a ring on her backpack. On the way back, her handbag was searched and they confiscated a Tide pen. Okeedokee, then.


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