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The Barbarian · Apr 9, 2006, 8:55 AM

"Although extraordinary valor was displayed by the entire corps of Spartans and Thespians, yet bravest of all was declared the Spartan Dienekes. It is said that on the eve of battle, he was told by a native ofTrachis that thePersian archers were so numerous that, when they fired their volleys, the mass of arrows blocked out the sun. Dienekes, however, undaunted by this prospect, remarked with a laugh, 'Good. Then we'll have our battle in the shade.'" Heroditus- Histories,

I need to read that novel. Thermopylae wasa pivotal moment in history, where a few hundred men pushed fate off onto a path that wouldgreatly affect every human being on Earth.

bahadir · Apr 9, 2006, 11:31 AM

Highly recommended, Barbarian!
And then I'll also suggest Tides of War by the same author,
whose subject matter is the Peleponnese wars, and Alchibiades who brings a new definition to loyalty!

Before Alchibiades was exiled from Athens, as an influential character, he had promoted a battle agains Sparta...Upon this, he heads for Sparta and returns to Athens followed by a Spartan army.
Consequently he addresses himself as a true lover of Athens against the ones who accuses him of treason, because he entered the city by force, although he had been refused by it !
There are hundred and one stories available from history enough for many many more Gladiator and Truva productions..

The Barbarian · Apr 14, 2006, 2:07 PM

The Classical Greeks seem to have had an interesting and complicated notion of patriotism.

Salamis was won when the Athenian leader, Themosticles, sent a letter to Xerxes ostensibly as an act of treason, telling him that if he attacked up the straits, the Greek alliance would fall apart.

Apparently, that sort of thing happened often enough that Xerxes believed it, and sent his fleet into a trap.

bahadir · Apr 15, 2006, 11:56 PM

By the time you sent the post above, you must have already read that novel, Barbarian. Shame the other forums suffered the absence of your shots during the interval.. :-)

The Barbarian · Apr 15, 2006, 11:59 PM

No, haven't read it yet, but I'm going Monday to get it. And yes, I've been so pleased to have someone to talk with about history, I've neglected my camera.

I put up a few today.

bahadir · Apr 16, 2006, 4:33 AM

Well then, I'd like to read your criticism about the book later on. I remember having made present of it to my father in law last year, and he read it in a week's time.
Now it's high time that I saw the gems you've posted...

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Apr 9, 2006, 8:55 AM	#11
The Barbarian Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,321	"Although extraordinary valor was displayed by the entire corps of Spartans and Thespians, yet bravest of all was declared the Spartan Dienekes. It is said that on the eve of battle, he was told by a native ofTrachis that thePersian archers were so numerous that, when they fired their volleys, the mass of arrows blocked out the sun. Dienekes, however, undaunted by this prospect, remarked with a laugh, 'Good. Then we'll have our battle in the shade.'" Heroditus- Histories, I need to read that novel. Thermopylae wasa pivotal moment in history, where a few hundred men pushed fate off onto a path that wouldgreatly affect every human being on Earth.

Apr 9, 2006, 11:31 AM	#12
bahadir Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 6,263	Highly recommended, Barbarian! And then I'll also suggest Tides of War by the same author, whose subject matter is the Peleponnese wars, and Alchibiades who brings a new definition to loyalty! Before Alchibiades was exiled from Athens, as an influential character, he had promoted a battle agains Sparta...Upon this, he heads for Sparta and returns to Athens followed by a Spartan army. Consequently he addresses himself as a true lover of Athens against the ones who accuses him of treason, because he entered the city by force, although he had been refused by it ! There are hundred and one stories available from history enough for many many more Gladiator and Truva productions..

Apr 14, 2006, 2:07 PM	#13
The Barbarian Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,321	The Classical Greeks seem to have had an interesting and complicated notion of patriotism. Salamis was won when the Athenian leader, Themosticles, sent a letter to Xerxes ostensibly as an act of treason, telling him that if he attacked up the straits, the Greek alliance would fall apart. Apparently, that sort of thing happened often enough that Xerxes believed it, and sent his fleet into a trap.

Apr 15, 2006, 11:56 PM	#14
bahadir Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 6,263	By the time you sent the post above, you must have already read that novel, Barbarian. Shame the other forums suffered the absence of your shots during the interval.. :-)

Apr 15, 2006, 11:59 PM	#15
The Barbarian Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,321	No, haven't read it yet, but I'm going Monday to get it. And yes, I've been so pleased to have someone to talk with about history, I've neglected my camera. I put up a few today.

Apr 16, 2006, 4:33 AM	#16
bahadir Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 6,263	Well then, I'd like to read your criticism about the book later on. I remember having made present of it to my father in law last year, and he read it in a week's time. Now it's high time that I saw the gems you've posted...