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TedM Apr 18, 2006 8:28 AM

Hello all,

I've read many forum messages and am impressed with the great knowledge I'm seeing around here. Hoping for some feedback.

Personal background: I've only been a Point& Shoot (P&S) type guy... currently owning a Kodak Easyshare camera and REALLY enjoying it. However, I thought I'd take the next step in this hobby and hoping for some advice. I'm as NOVICE as they come... but willing to learn. :)

I've been looking at two DSLRs: the Canon Rebel XT and the Nikon D50. It's a great debate going on internally as which one to purchase. Here are the pros of each one and finally, to which I'm leaning. :)

Canon Rebel XT: 3 frames per second (fps), 8 megapixel (mp), seems lens are a bit less expensive than the Nikon.

Nikon D50: only 2.5 fps (is this going to be REALLY noticeable?), only 6 mp, I like the feel of the D50 better...it feels a bit "heavier" and thus more substantial to me. The Canon seemed a bit front-heavy (in my opinion).

What am I going to do with the camera?

Well, as I said, want to pursue this as a hobby... nothing professional... but just something about which I can learn and get some enjoyment. I'll most likely use it for landscape and portrait, with SOME action shots (not going to any sport events anytime soon! ;) )

I'm a school teacher so COST is certainly a factor (not just for this initial purchase, but for future lenses). :)

Any and all advice is appreciated...and if I can answer more questions about what I'm seeking, please feel free to ask them.

Thanks, in advance, for any feedback/input! :)

Ted

audioedge Apr 18, 2006 9:04 AM

theres loads of stuff comparing these two cameras, so do a search and you will be surprised

all I can say is I have the D50 and love it, cheers

vsrinu30 Apr 18, 2006 9:21 AM

For sure both the camera's are very good for any user other than PRO's. 2.5 or 3 frames should not matter much as long as we don't do much of burst or action shots and same when it comes to 6 MP or 8 MP too. To me picture quality is more important than having more MP.

Both camera's deliver nice images but Nikon D50 performance at high ISO levels is very good when compared to XT and D70s. I heard from most of the people saying that Nikon lens prices are less when compared to Canon. But you can check them.

I have Nikon D50 and I love it too. Following combinations might be useful.

Nikon D50 + 18-55mm + 50mm f/1.8 + 70-300mm

Nikon D50 + 18-200mm VR ( one lens to cover upto 200mm with anti-shake)

See my post here :

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=87

audioedge Apr 18, 2006 9:35 AM

From prices I have seen Canon lens' seem cheaper... I have similar setup to you 18-55mm kit, 50mm 1.8f and 28-300 Tamron.I do have a bit of lens lust for that 18-200 but then I thought to myself " change lenses and use a tripod" :)

mtclimber Apr 18, 2006 10:40 AM

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As has already been posted, either camera (the Canon 350D/XT ot the Nikon D-50) will serve you very well indeed and give you very good sevice, as well as superior photos. I decided on the Nikon D-50 because I felt that it had a superior viewfinder and a much better grip. The grip felt very pinched indeed on the Canon XT. But those are both personal and subjective factors.

Keep in mind that you can reduce your after camera purchase lens costs, by utilizing superior and individual lenses from third party lens makers. Here is an example of the kind of photos that I have been able to capture with my Nikon D-50.

MT

TedM Apr 18, 2006 8:43 PM

First thanks to all who have responded. Much appreciated!

Secondly, thanks for the picture, MT...I only hope that someday I'll be able to take equally stunning photos. :)

With regards to your advice on after-purchase lens costs...how will I know what's a "good" lens vs. an "inferior" lens? I'd hate to purchase a lens on what I think is a great deal, only to find it's a low-end lens.

For example, Best Buy has a Nikkor lens 55-200 mm... for $279. I'm not sure if that's a "good" lens or "inferior/low-end" lens. :?

I guess as I continue, I'll learn... I feel like one of my third-graders who is being introduced to cursive!!! :?

mtclimber Apr 18, 2006 11:29 PM

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Ted-

You have to sort out the lenses by reading lens reviews and seeing reports and sample photos on Forums such as this. There is a lot of information in the Nikon Lens Folder, for example.

Secondly, you have to become a good shopper. I was able to purchase the Nikkor 55-200mm lens by shopping for $194 delivered. The Nikkor 55-200 lens is nice because it is small/short, and it is optically somewhat above average.

Another consideration would be the single lens approach such as the Tamron 18-200mm XR Di II lens which gives you a span from a wide angle to a moderate zoom, which is a nice combination. I will attach a photo taken with that Tamron 18-200mm lens. It was taken through a window at the 200mm max zoom.

MT

ellover009 Apr 18, 2006 11:46 PM

how much does the tamrom 55-200 go for?

peripatetic Apr 19, 2006 2:42 AM

Quote:

Both camera's deliver nice images but Nikon D50 performance at high ISO levels is very good when compared to XT and D70s.
I pesonally would go for the Nikon D50 over the XT, but the ISO performance at 800 and 1600 is significantly better on the XT from the tests over at DPReview.

The D50 is much better than the D70, but the XT is better still at high ISO. Check out their D50 review for side-by-side comparisons.



TedM Apr 19, 2006 8:00 AM

Wow! That was taken through a window! Remarkable!

I definitely like the idea of a single-lens approach... I figure the fewer times I have to switch lenses, the better. :)

Perhaps I'll check out bhphotovideo.com and see about prices for the Tamron 18-200mm.

Thanks again!


Edit: Hmm...is the Tamron for the Canon or the Nikon? Amazon.com has it but it's for the Canon?

Or do some companies make lenses for each of the major camera manufacturers? So much to learn! :)

Edit again: Oh, I see that Amazon.com sells the Tamron for about $385 (once they come in! LOL)...is that a reasonable price?


mtclimber Apr 19, 2006 10:37 AM

Ted-

Be sure to use www.pricegrabber.com and www.shopping.com to your advantage. You can find less expensive prices. I purchased my Tamron 18-200mm XR Di II lens on E-Bay delivered with a Tamron Circular Polarizer and a Tamron Skylight filter for $289.00.

You can usually find some bargains at www.keh.com or other used camera/lens departments at www.adorama.com and www.bhphotovideo.com.

Third party lens makers such as Tamron, Tokina,and Sigma usually produce lenses for all the lens mounts that they believe they can sell. However, you might not always find lenses for the Pentax or KM mounts. But for sure the Canon and Nikon mounts are almost always included.

MT

TedM Apr 19, 2006 11:03 AM

Thanks, MT... yes, www.shopping.com is a pretty good site for such services.

I have another question about lenses but I think I'll ask in the appropriate forum.

Thanks again for your great help!

TedM Apr 19, 2006 9:50 PM

Well, I took the plunge! :)

I purchased a Nikon D50 with a 28-80 mm lens all for about $599.99. Hopefully, I didn't get too robbed! ;)

I bought it from Wolf Camera...and purchased a year of protection..which INCLUDES dropping, throwing it against the wall in frustration, etc. :) The only thing NOT covered is FIRE and THEFT.

Also included in the purchase are 18 classes... which I REALLY need. :)

Just thought I'd share. :)

mtclimber Apr 19, 2006 11:54 PM

Congratulations, Ted! I am sure that you will thoroughly enjoy your Nikon D-50. The classes were a great idea, and the very best way to get a running start in learing your new camera.

Considering what you received, the pice was fair. So you got a good deal.

MT

audioedge Apr 20, 2006 2:24 AM

that lens might be a frustrating focal length on a dSLR tho (44-128 equiv). Not wide enough for wide stuff and not enough tele for when needed...

TedM Apr 20, 2006 8:19 AM

So should I have gone with the 18 to 55 mm lens kit? It was $100 more.

audioedge Apr 20, 2006 8:40 AM

really depends on what you plan to do with the camera... the wider angle the 18-55 kit gives is nice for panos and scenic shots...

zoom lens obviously for wildlife or picking out distance stuff, or playing with dof... macro lens for zooming in close

i have a 28-70 f2.8 lens and i rarely use it, in fact its on ebay for sale right now - lol

TedM Apr 20, 2006 8:57 AM

Well, this will sound dumb, but I'm really not sure what I'll use it for. :)

I'd like to play around with depth of view... and just experiment.

I really didn't understand why the 18 to 55 was $100 more... is the wide angle of 18 that much more preferred over 28?

They did have a two-lens kit for about $900 that has a 18 to 55 AND a 55 to 200 mm lens.

But that's about $300 more... just not sure if I want to spend that much.

It's quite overwhelming. :)

audioedge Apr 20, 2006 9:24 AM

when dealing with focal lengths on a dSLR you have to multiply by (approx) 1.6... so 18mm becomes 28mm... and the 28 becomes 44... you will notice a massive difference in the fov of those focal lengths..

i got my d50 for £350 (approx $625)with the 18-55 kit... they are doing some strange combo deals from wherever your buying it

anyway, im sure you will enjoy your new d50 whatever lens is on it :)

TedM Apr 20, 2006 7:11 PM

Well, after playing around with my D50, I came up with the following pictures. :)


http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1841/sflower4lb.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7...ingbird3qh.jpg

mtclimber Apr 21, 2006 7:47 AM

Well done, Ted-

You are off to a great start. Be patient and a good student of the D-50 instruction book and you will do very well indeed.

MT

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...00mm041906.jpg

littlefrog22 May 12, 2006 3:38 PM

Well, for me (and this is only me) the most important factor is: Which camera gets the best pictures in terms of QUALITY and DETAILS. Looks like the Digital Rebel XT is doing much better
( http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond50/page23.asp ) where they compare the two cameras, read the conclusion paragraph at the bottom. Also in comparison, yes, it looks like the D50 has "slightly higher sensitivity" but not by mutch, they are pretty close, however they were not that close as far as the details are concerned. You will also discover on that site that the XT has better per-pixel sharpness than the D50.

My decision is taken, I am buying the Rebel XT (or EOS350D like they call it in some other countries, same camera)

The D50 has a better build (more solid), but my bottom line is, the XT takes better pictures (well, more detailed). I like the grip of the XT so it was not a hard decision for me. Good luck to you all with your decision.:roll:

mtclimber May 12, 2006 4:05 PM

littlefrog-

I happen to own every one of the consumer DSLR cameras because I conduct DSLRWorkshops all over the world. I have been a professional for over 53 years and, yes I know and respect Phil Askey's website: www.dpreview.com.

However, there is indeed a good deal of difference in how a DSLR camera performs day after day in real life usage than when doing bench mark tests such as Phil does. The XT IMHO has a very cramped grip and a below average viewfinder. All you have to do is to take the XT in hand and look through the viewfinder, then do the same thing with the Nikon D-50, and you will clearly see the difference.

Please take a look at the last photo posted in this thread of the seagull with the ruffled feathers. That photo was taken by me with a D-50 and the quality is quite evident. I had my own XT available and ready to use that day, but I grabbed my D-50 instead. It is the ease of usage on a daily basis that truly makes a camera great.

MT

littlefrog22 May 12, 2006 10:28 PM

MT Climber: Thank you for the advice. It is awesome that we have the priviledge to have such experienced photographers as you on this site. I truly take into consideration your input. You are right, I tried both viewfinders and I think the Nikon's one is better. For the grip, well, I guess my hands like the XT just as much as the Nikon, although I don't have 53 years of holding SLRs. I can always buy the battery pack for the XT which would provide quite a better grip (and of course longer battery time). I know that for doing the kind of shooting you did above (VERY NICE, by the way, MT) I guess I will still go for the better resolution and better per-pixel sharpness because some of my shooting will include aerial photography (being a piot) so for details, the XT is better. However, I'll have to get a nice anti-shake lens. Also, the lens that comes with the XT (EF-S 18-55mm) is not very good and you can really see a difference with better lenses. The other thing that makes me lean towards Canon is that they have the really attractive (but still too expensive) full frame (35mm) CMOS sensor Canon 5D. Performance-wise (no, MT, I am not talking about how the camera "feels" i.e. grip, viewfinder...) Canon seems to be a little bit ahead of everyone across the Prosumer and Pro levels so when will come the time for me to upgrade (and keep my expensive lenses) I am confident that Canon will come-up with better viewfinders and handgrips, but still keeping their advance in technology. Also, the DIGIC 2 processing is impressive.

mtclimber May 13, 2006 4:51 AM

littlefrog-

The bottomline is simply this: use the camera you like best, you will always get better shots, just because of how you feel. BTW, I am a retired Boeing 747Captain with 33 years of flying for one of the majors.

Mt/Sarah


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