E-500 Double Kit vs. K100D 18-55 Kit (plus 50-200 later)

[meanstreak]

mtclimber wrote:

gagan-

As much as I would like to be able complete your request, I leave in two days to do workshops in Europe for a month. There is a lot of packing to be done. I post quite often so a quick search will turn up a lot of photo samples for you.

So on this very short notice here is the best I can put together for you



MT

OK... how did you get the bird to stay there long enough to run back and forth to the car to keep switching cameras?

[thebac]

MT, off-topic, but you might want to cut back on sharpening.

Except for the 5D picture, which looks fine, and the 7D picture, which looks soft, the rest all look oversharpened with ugly artifacts.

[Flynn]

Friends, now I'm thinking about add-on telephoto lens for Pentax. If choosing between following lens which one will you suggest? (
I know nothing about lens and would buy item 4 or 5 because of wider zoom range)

1.Pentax SMCP-DA 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED Auto Focus Telephoto Zoom Lens
2. Pentax Zoom Telephoto SMCP-FA J 75-300mm f/4.5-5.8 AL Autofocus Lens
3. Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro Autofocus Lens for Pentax AF
4.Sigma Zoom Wide Angle-Telephoto 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 DG Macro Autofocus Lens for Pentax AF SLR
5.Tamron Zoom Wide Angle-Telephoto AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR LD Aspherical IF Macro Autofocus Lens for Pentax

[BenjaminXYZ]

Does anybody ever wonder.... where does the dust go? Hmmmm.... it's still in the camera and will return... probably with a couple of friends.

I agree... it is not difficult and manual cleaning actually removes some of it if done right.

There is a sticky tape material below the low pass filter to collect the dust.

[gaggu]

Thanks MT

Well ... I also see that the better pictures in these pictures
are from KM and the Nikon is not bad either. The remaining
ones are clearly noisey.

Hmmm ... the more I see the results and the more I compare,
I keep coming closer to a conclusion that the "perfect" DSLR
does not exist. All of them are good and all of them come with
little annoying quirks which the users have to live with.

There are no best cameras but there are _definitely_ better
photographers. Ones who can learn to bring the best out of their
equipment.

Personally I found the Nikon D70S to be a great camera because
for one it can take nice pictures and handles well. I tried it out
for about 15 minutes in the store. The best part was that it has 2
dials ... that makes it _very_ convenient to use. And it is so easy
to grip it ... with the EOS350D I always ended up digging a hole
into the lense bellow. In EOS I have to press a button before I
can dial in the Aperature ...

The thing about SR or IS or whatever. I think spending about 60 to
70 £ on a tripod and remote release can give all the stabilisation I
would need.

I read Mike Johnston's review. It says its "perfectly,completely ... okay."

Go through the review closely ... the only thing it brings out is that K100D
is an average camera for a *great* price. But it does say that Canon
in lense IS is better than Pentax. It does also say that body driven lens
are _slower_ than motorized lens. Its great for people who already have
Pentax lens.

So it turns out to be a great camera just because of the pricing.

The anti-dust thingy ... looking at it practically ... its a fancy feature but
may loose its worth. I think nothing comes close to getting the camera
serviced by competent technicians.

But these are _my_ personal views and may differ from eveybody else's.


So ... what camera I will eventually buy ? Not sure right now. My heart says
Nikon D70s. The EOS350D is a great Camera but I wont buy anything from
Canon as long as it is in the same size. The bigger Canons are much better
but ... the price is too high

Hmmm ... sorry for confusing you all.

Cheers,
--
Gaggu

[BenjaminXYZ]

gaggu,

If I was in your position, I wouldn't think twice about getting the Nikon D70s with the 18-70 mm.

The D70s is a great and solidly constructed dSLR with a very comfortable operation. The 18-70 mm lens that comes with it even have a weather sealing in the mount.

If I am not mistaken, the mount of the 18-70 mm is also metal. (Something rare for a kit lens)

[BenjaminXYZ]

NT.

[meanstreak]

gaggu wrote:

Thanks MT

Well ... I also see that the better pictures in these pictures
are from KM and the Nikon is not bad either. The remaining
ones are clearly noisey.

Hmmm ... the more I see the results and the more I compare,
I keep coming closer to a conclusion that the "perfect" DSLR
does not exist. All of them are good and all of them come with
little annoying quirks which the users have to live with.

There are no best cameras but there are _definitely_ better
photographers. Ones who can learn to bring the best out of their
equipment.

Personally I found the Nikon D70S to be a great camera because
for one it can take nice pictures and handles well. I tried it out
for about 15 minutes in the store. The best part was that it has 2
dials ... that makes it _very_ convenient to use. And it is so easy
to grip it ... with the EOS350D I always ended up digging a hole
into the lense bellow. In EOS I have to press a button before I
can dial in the Aperature ...

The thing about SR or IS or whatever. I think spending about 60 to
70 £ on a tripod and remote release can give all the stabilisation I
would need.

I read Mike Johnston's review. It says its "perfectly,completely ... okay."

Go through the review closely ... the only thing it brings out is that K100D
is an average camera for a *great* price. But it does say that Canon
in lense IS is better than Pentax. It does also say that body driven lens
are _slower_ than motorized lens. Its great for people who already have
Pentax lens.

So it turns out to be a great camera just because of the pricing.

The anti-dust thingy ... looking at it practically ... its a fancy feature but
may loose its worth. I think nothing comes close to getting the camera
serviced by competent technicians.

But these are _my_ personal views and may differ from eveybody else's.


So ... what camera I will eventually buy ? Not sure right now. My heart says
Nikon D70s. The EOS350D is a great Camera but I wont buy anything from
Canon as long as it is in the same size. The bigger Canons are much better
but ... the price is too high

Hmmm ... sorry for confusing you all.

Cheers,
--
Gaggu

I'm not sure what's considered perfect but my KM 5Ds and 7Ds leave me little too complain about. Ican't find any annoying quirks. The picture quality is good, in fact KMs are one of the best low light, low noise cameras in it's class and you get Image Stabilization in every lens. By class, I am referring to sensor size, since the only way to improve on picture quality might be with a camera that has a larger sensor. Another thing KM has an edge on is the ergonomics. It is tuff to find a camera as comfortable to hold.

You'll find that most of the KM owners are happy with their choice. The only disappointing drawback is thatKM no longer exists and it lives on through Sony. Not quite a quirk, but obviously a drawback at this point, since they are hard to come buy, but if you can find one, they are a fabulous deal. Just this week, people were buying KM 7Ds for 599 including the kit lens. That camera was selling for around 1500 when it came out andbefore KM decided to abandon the market.You cannot buy a camera with itsfeatures for under 1000anywhere. The 5D, which is even harder to get was being sold for under 500 dollars at Circuit City, but I doubt there are any left.

If Sony had left well enough alone,instead of tryinging to market a 10MP camera, the legacy would live on and the Alpha would have been a great choice. While I think the excessive noise issue of the Alpha is overplayed, the noise is present, but I think most of the attention is because many are comparing it to its KM predeccessor. In fact most of the complaints are from existing KM users becasue it is only natural to compare new vs old. In my opinion if they wanted to go up from 6MP they should have stopped at 8MP. Obviously they decided to stayout in fron pf the MP race.

[meanstreak]

thebac wrote:

MT, off-topic, but you might want to cut back on sharpening.

Except for the 5D picture, which looks fine, and the 7D picture, which looks soft, the rest all look oversharpened with ugly artifacts.

Actually accorcing to the EXIF info, the sharpness settings are mostly normal or soft. The one I view as worst is actual set to soft. It's really hard to compare images between cameras based on a few posted photos since the actual lenses and apertures used and any cropping involvedcouldhavean impact on the final outcome.

K100D Hard

E300Soft

DS Normal

5D Normal

D50 Hard

7D Normal

[meanstreak]

Monza76 wrote:

mtclimber wrote:

And this is first hand experience, not just reviews.

Ira

I never place my faith entirely on reviews. Reviews are subjective and we don't know what the biases of the reviewer are or if there are any financial considerations involved. Test results if done properly in controlled conditions are good, but we rarely see such comparisons. Even then, buildtolerences and quality control variances are such thatcomparisons may vary between the same models and or lenses.