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zackesch Sep 23, 2007 5:12 PM

im moving up from a p&s camera, and i want to get into the art of digital photography. the two cameras that fit in my pricerange is the nikon d40 and the canon xt. im looking for a camera that will grow with me as my experence grows. i will be doing an equel amount of indoor, nature, night shots. i also have a number of sd cards

what i like about each camera:

nikon d40, attrative intro price, 350 at online sites, debatable sharper images with kit lens, accepts sd cards, low noise

canon xt, body only online for 240, 8meg, compadability with older lenses

which camera will best suit my needs??? i keep bouncing between the two, but i dont know which one to pick. help!

zackesch Sep 23, 2007 5:15 PM

forgot to add cannon xt body with canon 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 af lens

i also like the feel of the nikon d40. it feels more comfortable and sturdier then the rebel. the rebel feels kinda cheep"i dont like spending cash on a product that feels cheep."

TCav Sep 23, 2007 5:46 PM

They are both fine cameras, but two things jump out at me right away.

First, the Canon XT is an 8MP camera while the Nikon D40 is only 6MP.

Second, the Canon has a larger selection of available lenses than the Nikon.

Something else that occurs to me is that ...

zackesch wrote:

... i will be doing an equel amount of indoor, nature, night shots. ...
... the kit lenses are not well suited for what you want to do. You might consider getting a 50mm f/1.8 instead of a kit lens. These lenses are very reasonably priced, are even available used, and are more likely to be part of your permanent collection than a kit lens. (Of course, the 50mm f/1.8 won't autofocus on the D40.)

zackesch Sep 23, 2007 5:57 PM

ill still get the kit lens with the cam that i choose, and i have been looking at the 50 mm lenses too. i eventualy would like to get a wide angle lens too. it dosnt bother me having the kit lens, to me, its a good place to start out because i like to use zoom alot.

mtngal Sep 23, 2007 6:30 PM

If you are going to order from an on-line store, make sure that they are legit. If the price sounds better than anyone else's - it's probably a scam (there are all kinds of them on the internet). Make sure you look at resellerratings before ordering from anyone!

Check out the prices at Beach Camera (also - same company, decent reputation and good prices), B&H (I've bought 3 cameras and a couple of lenses from them - can't say enough good things about their service), or Adorama (has a good reputation but I've never dealt with them).

As far as the cameras - get the camera that feels best in your hands. Ergonomics play a huge role in the long-term enjoyment of your camera (as an aside, I don't have either camera, I usePentax).

zackesch Sep 23, 2007 6:33 PM

i looked at beach cameras, and the one in my price range is refurbished. is it worth getting one that is refurbished?

TCav Sep 23, 2007 6:43 PM

zackesch wrote:

i looked at beach cameras, and the one in my price range is refurbished. is it worth getting one that is refurbished?
See Refurbished - good or bad?

JimC Sep 23, 2007 6:45 PM

zackesch wrote:

canon xt, body only online for 240, 8meg, compadability with older lenses
If you believe that, I've got some really high value swamp property I'd like to discuss with you. ;)

Suggested reading:

How to buy a digital camera without being robbed

You'll find customer reviews of the vendor you're looking at these links. Scroll down and start reading them. Then, then compare the tactics used to the tactics mentioned in the article I posted a link to.

Suggested vendor:

Or, if you want to save a few dollars more, depending on the exact configuration, also check out this vendor (but, I'd go with B&H if the price was close to get the better return policy): or

If you see a camera advertised for much less, caveat emptor. There are a lot of Brooklyn based scam artists around with nice looking web sites (they seem to be able to get away with it there).

Always research any vendor carefully using and if you're not sure about them, ask here.

zackesch Sep 23, 2007 7:05 PM

no need to worry, im not going with those websites. now with the newly found scam prices out of my head, a slr is a bit out of budget, so im back to my original thoughts of looking at bridge cameras, which i see a 3 page thread on. anyway, the two that im considering is the canon s3,s5 to the panosonic z8. any input on the two would be great.

thanks for saving me from a major mistake from the scam artists.

JimC Sep 23, 2007 7:32 PM

You may be able to squeeze one in, depending on budget. It looks like and have the XT body only for around $379 to $389 used in great shape.

Your best bet going used is probably an XT Kit at for $429 with an 18-55mm lens on it if you want that model. Here's a direct link:

Canon Digital Rebel XT with 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF lens in Excellent Condition for $429 at

In a new dSLR kit on a budget, I'd probably look at Pentax. They have some pretty good deals right this minute. Here's an example (and it's got stabilization built into the body for any lens you use on it):

Pentax K100D with 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF Lens in new condition for $445 *before* $50 rebate

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