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IMAR Dec 29, 2005 7:21 PM

wich one is best of this 2 and photo quallty? thaks !

[email protected] Dec 29, 2005 7:39 PM

I'd be afraid to answer for fear of a vigorous debate.

But in my opinion, the Canon 8 megapixel CMOS sensor in the Digital Rebel would be my choice.

Some people like the Minolta 5D because of the built in anti-shake.

Also, the Minolta 5D is less expensive than the Canon Digital Rebel.

-- Terry



lord_ultra Dec 29, 2005 7:47 PM

I agree with Terry. The Canon takes slightly better photos in general. But costs more, especially if you want stabilised lenses. The KM is built better and feels better to use.

mtclimber Dec 29, 2005 9:03 PM

I happen to disagree. The K-M 5D is surely the better choice than the Canon 300D.

MT

VAtechtigger Dec 29, 2005 9:10 PM

well, since he asked about the 300d vs the 5D, the minolta is the clear winner.


if were talkking the 350D (XT), perhaps more of an argument

IMAR Dec 30, 2005 8:25 AM

thanks , i know the 350 is nice , but i mean the other one, the 300 its got 6 mp. and lower grade.

sorry my english !

Ana.

[email protected] Dec 30, 2005 9:55 AM

According to reviews, the Minolta 5D is sluggish.

One of the features to look for in a DSLR is it's responsiveness, ie, time from power on to shoot, shutter lag, writing of images to storage, etc.

Carefully weigh the differences.

-- Terry

VAtechtigger Dec 30, 2005 10:17 AM

I thimk in its price range you can do no better than the 5D. The Rebel XT goies consistantly for 200 more, getting near 7D range. In its price range you have the original rebel (the 300D) the Evolts, Nikin d50. I would take the 5D (and i have) over all of them with its features and performance.

The auto focus is certainly up there with any in its class. The only thing I would want more of is burst. but overall, thats somehting I rarely use, compared with the antishake which is almost always in use.

[email protected] Dec 30, 2005 10:37 AM

Your right the 5D is very competitively priced.

According the Steve's Digicams review:

I'd rate the 5D's shutter lag good, autofocus performance average, its capture rate average, and its rate of buffer transfer to CF memory good.

Overall, the 5D's high-ISO noise characteristics are very good for an amateur dSLR.

So, if your okay with a cam that has average autofocus peformance, good shutter lag performance, and good buffer transfer and very good high ISO performance (note, the ratings are only average, good or very good, but not excellent and not on average very good), then the 5D is your cam.

In comparison, the Rebel XT (why buy the 300D?) subjectively has better responsiveness and excellent image quality (according to Steve's Digicams), so it may be worth it for you to spend the extra $'s to get the faster response and better image quality.

I've always liked Minolta's focus on usability, whether it be their generous viewfinders, easy to use menu functions and buttons, etc.

However not all cams are the same, and there are differences in responsiveness, image quality (especially at high ISO's), etc. etc.

Much of it is affected by the image sensor, processing power, buffering etc.

Performance and image qualityis what your really buying, and it's always good to prioritize what features mean the most, and how much your willing to pay.

To me, usability is very important, but not as important as responsiveness and image quality, which are the two features that every DSLR manufacturer is struggling to improve upon.

-- Terry



Rambler358 Dec 30, 2005 11:15 PM

IMAR wrote:
Quote:

wich one is best of this 2 and photo quallty? thaks !
You might want to read Steve's conclusion of his 5D review:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_...xum5d_pg7.html

And in his last paragraph:

"With a price aimed at the amateur dSLR market, the 5D faces stiff competition, largely from the Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT. Its image resolution (6 vs 8-megapixels) and shooting performance might fall a bit short of the XT's, but the 5D's image quality is essentially equal and its handling superior. The 5D's body-integral CCD-shift Anti- Shake feature will be a tie-breaker for many users."

You decide. :G

kjeal Dec 31, 2005 6:41 AM

(yikes the amateur dslr debate!)

I've toyed with the amateur dslr option but i chose the sony v1. I went for a pro-sumer camera as I could not afford the £600+ for a DSLR.

I've found that there is more to just picking what is the 'better' camera - hence forces me to do weigh up the differences before spending teh ££

In my research, I've focused on 3 dslr's (the Minolta 5D vs Canon 350D vs the Nikon d50) and each has its pro's and con's.

CMOS or CCD?
6mp vs 8mp?
Antishake?
Night shots?
Continuous shooting speed?
Battery life?
Lens (future compatibility)?
shutter lag and start up time?

this list gets longer and longer and there is still lots to learn about choosing the right camera!

[email protected] Dec 31, 2005 7:29 AM

Well, at least we have a choice now.

Up to a few years ago a DSLR wasn't in reach for amateur photogs.

If film is any indication, we'll probably see fast entry level DSLR's that take excellent photos for under$300 US in the next three tofive years.

-- Terry





IMAR Jan 3, 2006 9:00 AM

THANKS FOR THE RESPOND.

What does Antishake mean?

I read th reviewof the 300 rebel and they say after so many pics the pictures comeout blurry, is that true?


VAtechtigger Jan 3, 2006 9:46 AM

Antishake, Or image stabilization is a system that is designed to as simply as I can say it, take less blurry pictures. When you are holding a camera and snap a picture, there is a slight movement of the camera, which combined with a slow shutter you get a blurry picture. The Antishake moves the sensor in an opposite direction of the camera shake to balance out the shake and hence a clearer picture. This comes in handy with all handheld shots, especially low light ones (your shutter will be longer to get a good exposure)

note though, if your subject is moving and you have a slow shutter speed, the picture will be blurry. Antishake helps with your movement, not the subjects.

Bottom line, its much better to have than to not have this feature. WIth the Minoltas, you ge this feature on every lens you use, whereas the other manufacturers, you pay for it as an extra feature with each new lens.

JimC Jan 3, 2006 10:10 AM

First of all, I'm biased (as I have a KM 5D). ;-)

But, I just don't believe that you'd get any better high ISO performance out of the Canon models compared to the 5D.

It's actually quite good, and tests better than the Canon models, too. It's also got an available ISO 3200 setting (missing on both the Canon Digital Rebel and Rebel XT).

In some low light conditions, I've needed ISO 3200 combined with antishake and bright prime to get usable photos.

If you want to shoot in low light without a flash, this model would be very hard to beat.

Dynamic Range is also outstanding when shooting in RAW (less so with JPEG, as it seems to be designed for a bit more contrast for less Post Processing, which is liked by some new DSLR owners).

Our friend Dave Etchells over at imaging-resource has some interesting IMATEST results that you may want to browse through here:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PROD...M5DIMATEST.HTM



IMAR Jan 5, 2006 5:13 PM

thanks for the responds !

I think im going to get the minolta, i love the pics.


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