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funktastic Mar 7, 2011 4:23 PM

ZS7 vs FZ35..Which one???
 
Hi folks. I am really tensed in choosing between ZS7 and fz35 :confused-smiley: Which is better bang of the buck? As I have seen nearly both are equal in IQ compartment. The difference is only of size? Is it advisable to spend few $$ more and get FZ35 rather than ZS7? Camera will be everyday use camera. So what you guys say. Thanks in advance:)

LTZ470 Mar 7, 2011 5:35 PM

FZ35 is much better indoors and has a much better on board flash...it also will leave you open to add a Close Up lens and a teleconverter later if you desire...

mtclimber Mar 7, 2011 6:28 PM

funktastic-

The FZ35 is the clear choice for a better camera.

Sarah Joyce

FiveO Mar 8, 2011 12:19 AM

If you don't mind the size of the bigger cam, then there's no doubt. I own both the ZS7 and the FZ40 but if size was of no concern, I would only have the FZ40.

funktastic Mar 8, 2011 11:51 AM

Thanks LTZ and Sarah.

@FiveO How much is the difference between the size and weight? If you dont mind can you please share the pic of poth side by side. I would be highly grateful. Size..hmmm would it matter when I take it to universiy (with tons of books :P) becuase i think zs7 will fit in my baggy jeans :D

mtclimber Mar 8, 2011 2:56 PM

funk-

If you just want a snapshot camera, there are better, less expensive cameras that perform better and provide better IQ, while still fitting in a pocket. The ZS7 biggest fault is its marginally fair indoor image quality.

A Canon SX130 would be a good alternative choice.

Sarah Joyce

funktastic Mar 8, 2011 3:44 PM

Thanks Sarah but main problem with Canons (with AA batteries) is that their flash recycling is slow and its i think 6-7sec in SX130. but still it'll not be pocketable :(

FiveO Mar 8, 2011 3:45 PM

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Originally Posted by funktastic (Post 1207119)
Thanks LTZ and Sarah.

@FiveO How much is the difference between the size and weight? If you dont mind can you please share the pic of poth side by side. I would be highly grateful. Size..hmmm would it matter when I take it to universiy (with tons of books :P) becuase i think zs7 will fit in my baggy jeans :D

Panasonic's website can give you the specific sizes and weights of each camera; I don't know offhand. Here's a pic of the two side-by-side. As a casual shooter, I can tell you that I rarely carry the FZ40 due to its size. It's compact compared to a DSLR of course, but the ZS7 (or the S95, which I also own and used to take this pic) can easily be slipped in my pocket so those are my everyday cameras.


http://imbx.us/Bzk.jpg

funktastic Mar 8, 2011 3:50 PM

Thanks very much FiveO. Like you I am also a casual shooter so I think ZS7 will suit more. What do you think?

funktastic Mar 8, 2011 3:54 PM

I want that it wont happen that I'll thought, would I have spent 19$ more and got the better thing :(

FiveO Mar 8, 2011 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by funktastic (Post 1207200)
Thanks very much FiveO. Like you I am also a casual shooter so I think ZS7 will suit more. What do you think?

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Originally Posted by funktastic (Post 1207202)
I want that it wont happen that I'll thought, would I have spent 19$ more and got the better thing :(

Well if leave the FZ40/FZ35 home more often than you would the ZS7, comparative quality will be irrelevant. ;) Keep in mind that the ZS7 and FZ35 have the same sensor and thus extremely similar IQ. The primary differences come in the reach (18x vs 12x), the stronger flash (FZ cams), etc.

I think walking around campus, you will be unlikely to pull the FZ35/40 out of your backpack, but if you think otherwise, then go for it. :)

funktastic Mar 8, 2011 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FiveO (Post 1207212)
Well if leave the FZ40/FZ35 home more often than you would the ZS7, comparative quality will be irrelevant. ;) Keep in mind that the ZS7 and FZ35 have the same sensor and thus extremely similar IQ. The primary differences come in the reach (18x vs 12x), the stronger flash (FZ cams), etc.

I think walking around campus, you will be unlikely to pull the FZ35/40 out of your backpack, but if you think otherwise, then go for it. :)

Rightly said!Thanks very much for your cooperation. I have now made my mind on the ZS7 :D Thanks to you and all dedicated members of this forum

funktastic Mar 14, 2011 12:44 PM

oh sorry bear me once again. I had come across SD4000. How does it compares with ZS7. are sd4000 and SD4500 same except zoom in terms of IQ?

FiveO Mar 14, 2011 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by funktastic (Post 1208863)
oh sorry bear me once again. I had come across SD4000. How does it compares with ZS7. are sd4000 and SD4500 same except zoom in terms of IQ?

Well the SD4000 doesn't quite fit in with the group. The SD4000 has a brighter lens than the other 2 and it does make a noticeable difference in low light. You lose the zoom of course. Now comparing the ZS7 to the SD4500, I find the ZS7 to be the better camera overall - better focus (faster, better in low light, less problems w/ losing focus in video), better build quality, better lens, sharper images ... However, I am a big fan of Canon color - more accurate, very vivid, etc. Also, Canon's sensors tend to be less noisy than Panasonic's which becomes a noticeable issue at higher ISOs.

So the first decision is whether you want to give up the zoom for a bit of an improvement in low light. :)

Spirit Hawk Mar 14, 2011 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FiveO (Post 1207196)
Panasonic's website can give you the specific sizes and weights of each camera; I don't know offhand. Here's a pic of the two side-by-side. As a casual shooter, I can tell you that I rarely carry the FZ40 due to its size. It's compact compared to a DSLR of course, but the ZS7 (or the S95, which I also own and used to take this pic) can easily be slipped in my pocket so those are my everyday cameras.


http://imbx.us/Bzk.jpg

Is that pinch cap,,standard or did you add that??

funktastic Mar 14, 2011 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FiveO (Post 1208883)
Well the SD4000 doesn't quite fit in with the group. The SD4000 has a brighter lens than the other 2 and it does make a noticeable difference in low light. You lose the zoom of course. Now comparing the ZS7 to the SD4500, I find the ZS7 to be the better camera overall - better focus (faster, better in low light, less problems w/ losing focus in video), better build quality, better lens, sharper images ... However, I am a big fan of Canon color - more accurate, very vivid, etc. Also, Canon's sensors tend to be less noisy than Panasonic's which becomes a noticeable issue at higher ISOs.

So the first decision is whether you want to give up the zoom for a bit of an improvement in low light. :)

I dont wanna loose zoom but want little more powerful flash :(

acscoggins Mar 14, 2011 5:17 PM

If I could add my two cents worth...I bought a ZS7 back in January. I had it for about a week before I returned it. Outdoor pictures in the sun were very good. Indoor pictures and outdoor pictures on a cloudy day were not good at all. My 6 year old canon p & s took better all-around pictures, in my opinion. I ended up buying a dslr in order to get the best of all worlds. I think that the ZS7 would be the perfect camera for someone who was going to use it primarily outside...and by "primarily" I mean 99% of the time. The zoom was very nice to have, and if you're taking landscape and travel photos, I think this camera would suit you perfectly.

FiveO Mar 14, 2011 6:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spirit Hawk (Post 1208889)
Is that pinch cap,,standard or did you add that??

Standard.

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Originally Posted by funktastic (Post 1208936)
I dont wanna loose zoom but want little more powerful flash :(

SX130 comes to mind. Slightly bigger but much better flash.

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Originally Posted by acscoggins (Post 1208953)
If I could add my two cents worth...I bought a ZS7 back in January. I had it for about a week before I returned it. Outdoor pictures in the sun were very good. Indoor pictures and outdoor pictures on a cloudy day were not good at all. My 6 year old canon p & s took better all-around pictures, in my opinion. I ended up buying a dslr in order to get the best of all worlds. I think that the ZS7 would be the perfect camera for someone who was going to use it primarily outside...and by "primarily" I mean 99% of the time. The zoom was very nice to have, and if you're taking landscape and travel photos, I think this camera would suit you perfectly.

The same can be said for all of these pinhead sensor cameras. It's difficult to explain sensor size, pixel density, aperture, etc. to every single person who posts in the forum though. Based on your surprise that your old Canon was better in low light, I'm guessing you weren't aware of the importance of these things in low light either. Look at the differences in sensor size and pixel density on the old cameras vs the current models and it becomes apparent that the old models will fare much better in low light.

The ZS7 should be set to a max ISO of 400 imho. Some of the pinhead sensor Canons can go to ISO 800 and still be usable for small prints. It's not like any of this is news. People want that amazing perfect camera that fits in their pocket and it simply does not and cannot exist. You have to sacrifice somewhere. There's no arguing DSLR quality but how many casual shooters really want to haul one around?

acscoggins Mar 14, 2011 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FiveO (Post 1208972)


The same can be said for all of these pinhead sensor cameras. It's difficult to explain sensor size, pixel density, aperture, etc. to every single person who posts in the forum though. Based on your surprise that your old Canon was better in low light, I'm guessing you weren't aware of the importance of these things in low light either. Look at the differences in sensor size and pixel density on the old cameras vs the current models and it becomes apparent that the old models will fare much better in low light.

The ZS7 should be set to a max ISO of 400 imho. Some of the pinhead sensor Canons can go to ISO 800 and still be usable for small prints. It's not like any of this is news. People want that amazing perfect camera that fits in their pocket and it simply does not and cannot exist. You have to sacrifice somewhere. There's no arguing DSLR quality but how many casual shooters really want to haul one around?

When I had my ZS7, I did set the max ISO to 400. It was still lousy indoors...even with flash. I don't think you can have a good, small, pocketable camera with a large zoom that will perform adequately indoors. Admittedly, I do not have a lot of experience with a variety of cameras. However, from what I've read and from the limited experience I do have, I think you either get a large zoom OR you get decent indoor image quality. I've borrowed a friend's canon sx120, and it did the job pretty well. Still, it wasn't great, by any means. I think that, if I was looking for a p & s camera, I would get a canon s95. I would sacrifice the zoom in order to get good indoor image quality.

FiveO Mar 15, 2011 1:40 AM

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Originally Posted by acscoggins (Post 1209023)
When I had my ZS7, I did set the max ISO to 400. It was still lousy indoors...even with flash. I don't think you can have a good, small, pocketable camera with a large zoom that will perform adequately indoors. Admittedly, I do not have a lot of experience with a variety of cameras. However, from what I've read and from the limited experience I do have, I think you either get a large zoom OR you get decent indoor image quality. I've borrowed a friend's canon sx120, and it did the job pretty well. Still, it wasn't great, by any means. I think that, if I was looking for a p & s camera, I would get a canon s95. I would sacrifice the zoom in order to get good indoor image quality.

With the flash, I find the ZS7 to be quite adequate indoors - with the flash. The flash only covers about 10 feet but that is plenty for me. However, I don't particularly like using flash and outdoors, you can't use a flash like that. In other words, I agree on that point; a chocie must be made between the long zoom and low light ability. I actually own the S95 also and it has become my primary camera, as I shoot outdoors a lot more than I shoot indoors, and I am often still out when dusk hits. :)

funktastic Mar 15, 2011 5:25 PM

@fiveo u mentiioned 10 feet??Thats ok with me. I read on many reviews that its weak less then 8 feet :( thats why i was reconsidering it

FiveO Mar 15, 2011 8:25 PM

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Originally Posted by funktastic (Post 1209250)
@fiveo u mentiioned 10 feet??Thats ok with me. I read on many reviews that its weak less then 8 feet :( thats why i was reconsidering it

It's actually rated to 17 ft at wide, but only 11 ft at tele. Although I think the wide number is a bit optimistic, I routinely use the camera at least partially zoomed at 10 ft.

I've seen reviews complain about a weak flash and there's certainly no argument there, but I've never seen anyone comment about getting less than 10 ft except one person on this forum who doesn't even own the camera. ;)

acscoggins Mar 15, 2011 11:06 PM

funktastic...just remember to buy from somewhere you can return the camera should you need to. This camera may be great for your needs...it is a fun camera...the zoom is amazing, compared to my old p & s. I also really liked the user-friendliness and the burst mode. However, if you find that it is not suitable, you can always return it and pick out something else. And there's really no way to decide if it's going to work for you until you have one in your hands and start playing with it. No matter what you decide, have fun! That's what photography is all about, right?

funktastic Mar 16, 2011 10:18 AM

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I've seen reviews complain about a weak flash and there's certainly no argument there, but I've never seen anyone comment about getting less than 10 ft except one person on this forum who doesn't even own the camera.
May be I read it here :)

funktastic Mar 16, 2011 10:19 AM

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funktastic...just remember to buy from somewhere you can return the camera should you need to. This camera may be great for your needs...it is a fun camera...the zoom is amazing, compared to my old p & s. I also really liked the user-friendliness and the burst mode. However, if you find that it is not suitable, you can always return it and pick out something else. And there's really no way to decide if it's going to work for you until you have one in your hands and start playing with it. No matter what you decide, have fun! That's what photography is all about, right?
It'll be coming from 4k miles away :O

vblanche Mar 22, 2011 11:05 AM

Hi, just wondering if you made a choice? I'm in the same situation... thanks, vince

mtclimber Mar 22, 2011 1:15 PM

Vince-

If camera size is not an issue for you, the FZ35 is the clear choice over the ZS7. It has a much better flash, better image quality, and a longer zoom.

Sarah Joyce

FiveO Mar 23, 2011 9:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mtclimber (Post 1211341)
Vince-

If camera size is not an issue for you, the FZ35 is the clear choice over the ZS7. It has a much better flash, better image quality, and a longer zoom.

Sarah Joyce

You're basing that on ...? They utilize the exact same sensor. Any differences in the final image are due largely to differences in in-camera processing. I too would choose the FZ35 over the ZS7 is size was not issue but having owned both cameras, I can confidently say that there is not much difference in image quality and I would challenge you to demonstrate otherwise.


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