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Old Oct 13, 2006, 4:46 AM   #1
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I have been debating over the Olympus 500Dand the Lumix Z750 for a few weeks now as to which would be the best fit for me. I am a novice on a tight budget who wants to upgrade. I am almost exclusively a daylight photographer of animals in motion. I need a flexible zoom and the ability for minor cropping. Both seem to have pros and cons for my needs. I understand the basics of SLR v. Fixed Zoom but I know that if I purchased an SLR I would end up using the one lense nearly always. I alsolearnt today thatLeica are introducing their version of the Z750, which I understand may iron out some of the bugs in the Pana version I've been reading about. Anyhelp about thisdecision Iam going to make would be greatly appreciated.

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Old Oct 13, 2006, 10:13 AM   #2
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My personal experience ...

I am a hobbyist. I started off with a Sony DSC-T9 this March.

During the months (not too many) ... I came from the point where
I "just wanted a simple PnS digicam" to where I "thought having
a larger sensored, wide angle camera would be just great" ... thus
I started considering Fuji S9500 and Sony DSC-R1.

But coming to the price point ... and the way my needs quickly expanded ...
I ended up buying a DSLR for 20% more than I would have paid
for Sony DSC-R1. Having bought it ... I am quite satisfied with the
decission.

So ... consider your need again ... if you are sure that you will be
satisfied with a fixed lense all in one digicam. Go for it ... but I think
this hobby just grows and your needs do shift over to better equipment.
Probably in some more time ... you'll outgrow your digicam ... probably
you won't.

But in the case you do ... you'd have to shell out money at that point
of time for better equipment.

In case of DSLRs ... the first cut is the deepest where you have to buy
the whole setup to get started. But upgrades are simpler ... just buy more
lenses and when you think you need a new body ... just go find a 2nd hand
one or buy the latest body which will of-course fit your lenses.

I was attracted to this post eversince you mentioned Evolt E 500 system.

I personally bought one myself just last week.

The advantages of E 500 ... as a system ... you never buy into over or under sized
lenses. Nikkon sell DX mounts as kit lenses ... which wont fit on larger sized sensors.
Canon sell EF-S lenses which have the same problems. Olympus ... have the fixed
size sensor ... your lenses will work on newer better bodies in the future.

Image quality ... at par with Canon/Nikon ... as long as you don't do lots of
low light motion freezes (if you do ... I think you already have Canon )

So I suggest that if you have come to the point where you are willing to spend
Evolt E 500 kind of money ... then give it a try ... you might end up happier.
(BTW ... I think its about time E 500 prices should be hitting all time low
and you might get a great deal there)

Happy hunting ... and then happy shooting ...

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Old Oct 14, 2006, 10:15 AM   #3
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What gaggu says is all accurate. But there are 2 other considerations as well. DSLR's have a much larger sensor than fixed lens compacts or pseudo slr's. For normal daylight photos that don't get enlarged too much, you can't tell the different. But if you crop in tightly, or make large prints, or shoot in lower light settings at higher ISO, then you often can really notice the difference. But I think one other feature is more important. You said you photograph wildlife in motion. The fixed lens cams have much more shutter lag, focus lag etc than the DSLR's. Anyone who does action photos, sports etc can really tell the difference. My personal opinion is that you need a DSLR if you are doing action work. And I'm not a DSLR buff, I don't even have one since I don't do action shots. But I would if I did. If money is an issue, you can find one for much less than the Olympus.*
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Old Oct 14, 2006, 12:13 PM   #4
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What gaggu says is all accurate. But there are 2 other considerations as well. DSLR's have a much larger sensor than fixed lens compacts or pseudo slr's. For normal daylight photos that don't get enlarged too much, you can't tell the different. But if you crop in tightly, or make large prints, or shoot in lower light settings at higher ISO, then you often can really notice the difference. But I think one other feature is more important. You said you photograph wildlife in motion. The fixed lens cams have much more shutter lag, focus lag etc than the DSLR's. Anyone who does action photos, sports etc can really tell the difference. My personal opinion is that you need a DSLR if you are doing action work. And I'm not a DSLR buff, I don't even have one since I don't do action shots. But I would if I did. If money is an issue, you can find one for much less than the Olympus.?


That is not always true. As most people may have already known, the live preview CMOS image sensor of the R1 fix lens pro (camera)has APS-C dimensions; it is larger than the 4/3 CCD of the OLYMPUS Digital SLRs, such as the4/3 CCD on the OLYMPUS EVOLT E-500 dSLR model. (4/3 dictates the physical CCD dimension of the OLYMPUS dSLRs)

The upcoming SIGMA DP1 digital camera will also be equipped with an APS CMOS image sensor with live preview. (In fact, the SIGMA DP1will be havingthe same image sensor as the SIGMA SD14 dSLR)

Both cameras have high quality fix lensesto go with theirimage sensors. The lens of the DP1 will be a high quality wide angle prime, and the one on the R1 is the well known 14.3 - 71.5 mmCarl ZeissVario Sonnar T* (with special coatings) glass optics.










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-Benjamin

Very true ... Sony DCS R1 has an APS-C sized sensor. Thats the same
size as in DSLRS. I think the range of the lense equates to 24-120 on
a 35mm camera.

Thats a fairly versatile range ... but then ... what if you need more tele range ?
You do get tele extenders for R1 ... but again there is a limit to what they
can do.


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Thats a fairly versatile range ... but then ... what if you need more tele range ?
You do get tele extenders for R1 ... but again there is a limit to what they
can do.
If you want more zoom, you can get a dSLR with a longer zoom lens. (wider zoom + longer zoom, oranall in onewide - mega-zoom lens solution)
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Thanks for the advice eveyone. Am I to assume the FZ50 is not a goer at all for my needs?
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Old Oct 14, 2006, 7:24 PM   #8
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-Paul

I'll repeat what I said.

If you have come to terms with the idea of spending
that kind of money ... then consider a DSLR ... it's lot
more versatile than a fixed lense camera. More over
single "do-it-all" super zoom lenses are known to have
IQ issues. I can't say that about Leica lenses coz I have
never been brave enough to look that way ...

Take a look at sample pictures from Fuji S9500 .. they have
a do it all 28-300 lense. You'll see what I mean to say.
Now consider that in comparison with the 28-300 IS lense
from Canon. The Canon lense itself costs £1500 where as
the whole Fuji S9500 camera comes at under £350.

E 500 is a great camera with some very good lenses.
The kit lenses are far better than what you will get with
Canon or Nikon.

The Olympus Pro lenses are expensive ... but just a little
bit more than Canon or Nikon ... but then ... the quality is
way way better. Take a look at photozone.de

I have a E 500. The only issue I have with it is the view
finder ... when you are in low light ... you do have to struggle.
Otherwise ... the price that you pay and the features you get
... the value proposition ... nothing comes closer. I am very
satisfied with my E 500. Not to mention ... its the prettiest looking
DSLR on market today ... (but thats just my opnion ... u may differ)
And the layout is such that you almost never smudge your nose
into the LCD monitor. With Canon EOS350D i had earlier ... I had
the LCD all mucked up ( ... the layout of controls and accessibilty
to all the required functions on a DSLR are so much well within
the reach without having to wade thru menu system.

You could also consider Nikon D50, Nikon D70s in the similar pice
range. Give them a try ... buy one which you like the most. From
Nikon line-up I think the D70s is a much better kit ... the D70s
body is just so very well layed out. And the kit lense AF-S DX 18-70
is an excellent lense ... much better than the 18-55 lense you get
with Nikon D50. (See that at outbackphoto.com)

Not to confuse you any more with all this ... I suggest try out
some DSLRS at your closest camera stores. Get one which you
feel good about ...

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The kit lenses are far better than what you will get with
Canon or Nikon.
That is not always true either. :-)

The 18 - 70 mm Nikkor lens, that comes with the Nikon D70s, is just as great.
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thats true, that is a pretty good lens and the Nikor 18-135 is not too shabby either.

but from a range, the olympus 2 kit lens pair covers 28-300 and except at the very wide end in the 14-45, they are really good than the competition
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